What's your Next Moves on Gas and Electricity Bills?

BUFF

bery_451 said:

Miser1964 said:

Sir Keir Starmer will be in No.10 by Easter.

His pledge to create a National Power Service which makes gas and electricity free to all, like our beloved National Health Service makes medicine free, will be a great relief for people. 

Bless you, Sir Keir!

How is he gonna give us free energy when most of the Nuclear Power Stations in the UK are closed down by Global Warming activists such as Greta Thunberg and her school buddies ?

Nuclear Energy has hardly no Co2 and you only need 5 grams of Plutonium or Uranium to power a whole city for a month I heard. Plutonium and Uranium are not expensive metals, I bet copper is more expensive then these both.

Renewable Energy such as Solar, Wind is not Scalable and is very expensive for this equipment and is Intermittent energy depending on weather seasons not constant energy like nuclear.

China has built their own Artificial Sun which is Nuclear Fusion not Nuclear Fission.

France energy bills are super cheap because they haven't closed down their Nuclear Power stations.

There is a lot of embodied carbon in constructing a nuclear plant.

I think that you will find it a lot harder & more expensive to get your hand on plutonium/uranium than copper.

Renewable energy such as wind, solar, hydro & perhaps wave to come are cheap these days (much cheaper than building a current nuclear power station) but, as you  mention, tend to be intermittent.

China is not the only place that has created fusion but it is not yet practicable for generation.

You might want to check how many of France's nuclear plants are running & at what levels. Energy bills in France are cheap because of a political decision (just prior to an election, too ) - taxpayers will pay for it down the line.

Miser1964

What message will the Tories leave the incoming Labour/SNP coalition of chaos, I wonder.

"I'm afraid there is no hope", perhaps?

QrizB

bery_451 said:

Its Politics that decides and passes Laws that the Courts enforce or are the courts higher than the House of Parliament? I know king charles and his royal family are higher than Parliament but are the courts higher too?
People voted for Liz Truss for the Energy Price Cap like people have voted for Brexit and it has to be delivered to the people otherwise this country cannot be classed as a democratic country no more!

The only people to vote for Liz Truss were 35,500 South West Norfolk constituency members in 2019 and 81,300 Conservative party members in 2022.

If you want a more general civics lesson, maybe try a different forum.

If there was a general election again lots of people will vote for Liz Truss unless they don't mind paying £5000 a year energy bills.

If there was a general election tomorrow, the only people able to vote for Liz Truss will be South West Norfolk constituents.

Nuclear Energy has hardly no Co2 and you only need 5 grams of Plutonium or Uranium to power a whole city for a month I heard. Plutonium and Uranium are not expensive metals, I bet copper is more expensive then these both.

Renewable Energy such as Solar, Wind is not Scalable and is very expensive for this equipment and is Intermittent energy depending on weather seasons not constant energy like nuclear.

You should check the prices of things on Google before posting. It's not hard.

There's no chance of delivering this renewable energy nonsense.

40% of the UK's electricity is already generated by renewables. What makes you think this can't be done when it already exists?

bery_451

BUFF said:

bery_451 said:

Miser1964 said:

Sir Keir Starmer will be in No.10 by Easter.

His pledge to create a National Power Service which makes gas and electricity free to all, like our beloved National Health Service makes medicine free, will be a great relief for people. 

Bless you, Sir Keir!

How is he gonna give us free energy when most of the Nuclear Power Stations in the UK are closed down by Global Warming activists such as Greta Thunberg and her school buddies ?

Nuclear Energy has hardly no Co2 and you only need 5 grams of Plutonium or Uranium to power a whole city for a month I heard. Plutonium and Uranium are not expensive metals, I bet copper is more expensive then these both.

Renewable Energy such as Solar, Wind is not Scalable and is very expensive for this equipment and is Intermittent energy depending on weather seasons not constant energy like nuclear.

China has built their own Artificial Sun which is Nuclear Fusion not Nuclear Fission.

France energy bills are super cheap because they haven't closed down their Nuclear Power stations.

There is a lot of embodied carbon in constructing a nuclear plant.

I think that you will find it a lot harder & more expensive to get your hand on plutonium/uranium than copper.

Renewable energy such as wind, solar, hydro & perhaps wave to come are cheap these days (much cheaper than building a current nuclear power station) but, as you  mention, tend to be intermittent.

China is not the only place that has created fusion but it is not yet practicable for generation.

You might want to check how many of France's nuclear plants are running & at what levels. Energy bills in France are cheap because of a political decision (just prior to an election, too ) - taxpayers will pay for it down the line.

Of course there's carbon to making anything including nuclear plants too. Heck making tesla cars produces co2 too.

Plutonium and Uranium metals are much cheaper and than gold and silver metals and are much easier to mine too I heard. 

I hear Solar Panels only reach like 30% efficiency nowadays which ridiculous and slow progress from their introduction decades ago. Plus they are really expensive too, how much do one of those large wind turbines you see during a motorway journey cost? Having 1 of them in your front garden is great but probably cost more than 10 houses each. The Oil consortium Opec wont allow Hydro water power you know that until the Oil reserves under earth is dry. 

As far as I know China citizens don't have expensive energy bills like us so something must be working over there.

France don't need to rely that much gas from Russia because they have their own Nuclear Power Stations unlike us that turned off our nuclear power stations upon Greta Thurnberg instructions making us more become more relying on Russian gas meaning we screwed because we put sanctions on Russia and funding Ukraine Defence against Russia that's costing the UK £Billions borrowed from the Bank of England money printers of course. 

bery_451

Miser1964 said:

What message will the Tories leave the incoming Labour/SNP coalition of chaos, I wonder.

"I'm afraid there is no hope", perhaps?

Labour got kicked out last time when they were in power because they borrowed a lot of money from the bank of England money printers to fund their Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost £Billions increasing national and Government debt levels and the conservatives won because David Cameron said there will need to be Austerity spending cuts to pay this back however the sad truth is the debt is still outstanding and those austerity cuts done by the early conservatives did hardly nothing to the UK debt levels and this country is still in £Trillions in Debt and still rising. Bank of England interest rates are much lower over a decade ago compared to today which is much higher but still lower than the inflation rate today.

The government borrowing from the bank of england much higher interest rates today is financial suicide for this country unless the government HyperInflate its way out of their debt to make the debt cheaper to pay off.

HyperInflation doesn't affect the rich because they can afford a loaf of bread costing about £100-1000 each but for the poor its game over unless wages go up with inflation however wages are not going up with inflation that's why you seeing all these union workers strikes now across the country.

Open your eyes and see.

bery_451

QrizB said:

bery_451 said:

Its Politics that decides and passes Laws that the Courts enforce or are the courts higher than the House of Parliament? I know king charles and his royal family are higher than Parliament but are the courts higher too?
People voted for Liz Truss for the Energy Price Cap like people have voted for Brexit and it has to be delivered to the people otherwise this country cannot be classed as a democratic country no more!

The only people to vote for Liz Truss were 35,500 South West Norfolk constituency members in 2019 and 81,300 Conservative party members in 2022.

If you want a more general civics lesson, maybe try a different forum.

If there was a general election again lots of people will vote for Liz Truss unless they don't mind paying £5000 a year energy bills.

If there was a general election tomorrow, the only people able to vote for Liz Truss will be South West Norfolk constituents.

Nuclear Energy has hardly no Co2 and you only need 5 grams of Plutonium or Uranium to power a whole city for a month I heard. Plutonium and Uranium are not expensive metals, I bet copper is more expensive then these both.

Renewable Energy such as Solar, Wind is not Scalable and is very expensive for this equipment and is Intermittent energy depending on weather seasons not constant energy like nuclear.

You should check the prices of things on Google before posting. It's not hard.

There's no chance of delivering this renewable energy nonsense.

40% of the UK's electricity is already generated by renewables. What makes you think this can't be done when it already exists?

If that's the case where 40% of UK electricity is renewable then how the Ukraine-Russian war increase energy prices much more than 40% then? 

[Deleted User]

You hear a lot of things bery.  It’s a shame that you just repeat them without understanding though.

EssexHebridean

[Deleted User] said:

You hear a lot of things bery.  It’s a shame that you just repeat them without understanding though.

And without managing to use the quote function to avoid posting, and posting, and posting... 

(bery - for avoidance of doubt, having quoted one post, you can quote the next by simply hitting the "quote" button below it, it will the appear in your existing post where you can reply. Repeat as needed.) 

BUFF

bery_451 said:

BUFF said:

bery_451 said:

Miser1964 said:

Sir Keir Starmer will be in No.10 by Easter.

His pledge to create a National Power Service which makes gas and electricity free to all, like our beloved National Health Service makes medicine free, will be a great relief for people. 

Bless you, Sir Keir!

How is he gonna give us free energy when most of the Nuclear Power Stations in the UK are closed down by Global Warming activists such as Greta Thunberg and her school buddies ?

Nuclear Energy has hardly no Co2 and you only need 5 grams of Plutonium or Uranium to power a whole city for a month I heard. Plutonium and Uranium are not expensive metals, I bet copper is more expensive then these both.

Renewable Energy such as Solar, Wind is not Scalable and is very expensive for this equipment and is Intermittent energy depending on weather seasons not constant energy like nuclear.

China has built their own Artificial Sun which is Nuclear Fusion not Nuclear Fission.

France energy bills are super cheap because they haven't closed down their Nuclear Power stations.

There is a lot of embodied carbon in constructing a nuclear plant.

I think that you will find it a lot harder & more expensive to get your hand on plutonium/uranium than copper.

Renewable energy such as wind, solar, hydro & perhaps wave to come are cheap these days (much cheaper than building a current nuclear power station) but, as you  mention, tend to be intermittent.

China is not the only place that has created fusion but it is not yet practicable for generation.

You might want to check how many of France's nuclear plants are running & at what levels. Energy bills in France are cheap because of a political decision (just prior to an election, too ) - taxpayers will pay for it down the line.

Of course there's carbon to making anything including nuclear plants too. Heck making tesla cars produces co2 too.

Plutonium and Uranium metals are much cheaper and than gold and silver metals and are much easier to mine too I heard. 

I hear Solar Panels only reach like 30% efficiency nowadays which ridiculous and slow progress from their introduction decades ago. Plus they are really expensive too, how much do one of those large wind turbines you see during a motorway journey cost? Having 1 of them in your front garden is great but probably cost more than 10 houses each. The Oil consortium Opec wont allow Hydro water power you know that until the Oil reserves under earth is dry. 

As far as I know China citizens don't have expensive energy bills like us so something must be working over there.

France don't need to rely that much gas from Russia because they have their own Nuclear Power Stations unlike us that turned off our nuclear power stations upon Greta Thurnberg instructions making us more become more relying on Russian gas meaning we screwed because we put sanctions on Russia and funding Ukraine Defence against Russia that's costing the UK £Billions borrowed from the Bank of England money printers of course. 

There is a huge amount of concrete in a nuclear plant. The cement industry is a huge producer of CO2. Ergo, building a nuclear plant involves a massive amount of CO2 emission.

So, you heard  - but where is your factual evidence? I can say that I heard that blue is red but it doesn't make it true.

Yes, 30% efficiency is about state of the art for solar panels these days but they are a lot cheaper than they used to be & the cost per kW generated will continue to fall. Currently generating by gas costs something like 3x wind & 2x solar.
You aren't going to get a commercial wind turbine in your garden (for various reasons). Suffice to say that wind generation is very cheap these days, the problem with it is intermittent & we need better/more ways to store it when it is generating.
We already have hydro in the UK & more is being built (both run of river & pump storage).

It is hard to truly know what goes on in China but the average standard of living is below the UK's & China is running massive debt (hardly unique, I know).

Britain doesn't rely on Russian gas either. As I said, you may wish to check on the state of France's nuclear power stations.
France (& others) put sanctions on Russia, too. France & others are also funding/supplying Ukraine against Russia.
Are you arguing that the unprovoked Russian invasion of an independent country is right?If you let Putin get away with it once he will just do it again & again.

QrizB

bery_451 said:

Plutonium and Uranium metals are much cheaper and than gold and silver metals and are much easier to mine too I heard.

You heard wrong. U-235 is something like £1000 a gram, £30,000 an ounce. Gold is only £1,500 an ounce, so U-235 is 20x more expensive than gold. Plutonium is priceless, you literally can't buy it, but if you could it would be something like 10x the price of U-235.

Anyone trying to sell you shares in a plutonium mine will also have a great deal on Tower Bridge.