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Tysernans2018

@Fruitcake invaluable advice pal, really appreciate it

How will I find out who the landowner is? 

Umkomaas

What happened in your case with ParkingEye from 2020?  You didn't come back to tell us, despite the support given to you by the forum. 

It doesn't motivate us greatly to help with new cases if there is no outcome feedback. 

Perhaps you can update that thread please?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6212224/parking-eye-ticket/p1

Fruitcake

Umkomaas said:

What happened in your case with ParkingEye from 2020?  You didn't come back to tell us, despite the support given to you by the forum. 

It doesn't motivate us greatly to help with new cases if there is no outcome feedback. 

Perhaps you can update that thread please?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6212224/parking-eye-ticket/p1

Now done, and the news is good.

Fruitcake

Tysernans2018 said:

@Fruitcake invaluable advice pal, really appreciate it

How will I find out who the landowner is? 

Umkomaas has posted on other threads with a list of things to try, including asking the council who pays the non-domestic business rates, seeing if the landowner or their managing agent (not the PPC) is mentioned on signs, checking the council planning department website to see if the landowner is named when the site was last developed. Whilst there you could also check if planning permission was obtained for ANPR cameras (if fitted) to be installed, and if Advertising Consent was approved for signage. Not having the latter is a breach of the PoFA Sch 4, para 12, and is also a criminal offence, although only the council can pursue. Sadly most don't.

You can also ask businesses attached to the site.

Paying a few quid to the Land Registry should give you a definitive answer. 

Umkomaas

SOME IDEAS ON DETERMINING WHO OWNS THE LAND 

1. Google searches

2. If a retail park, check on any signage which lists the on-site outlets

3. Ask retailers on the site if there is a managing agent

4. Ask retailers on the site to whom do they pay rent

5. Contact the local authority and ask who pays the non-domestic/business rate for the car park (some councils have a spreadsheet on their website)

6. Contact the local Valuation Office and ask if they know. They often have a website which might provide the information 

7. Contact The Land Registry and for around £3 they should be able to provide definitive detail

8. If you haven't already done so, give us the name of the car park/site/location, we may have seen other cases there. 

Tysernans2018

Umkomaas said:

SOME IDEAS ON DETERMINING WHO OWNS THE LAND 

1. Google searches

2. If a retail park, check on any signage which lists the on-site outlets

3. Ask retailers on the site if there is a managing agent

4. Ask retailers on the site to whom do they pay rent

5. Contact the local authority and ask who pays the non-domestic/business rate for the car park (some councils have a spreadsheet on their website)

6. Contact the local Valuation Office and ask if they know. They often have a website which might provide the information 

7. Contact The Land Registry and for around £3 they should be able to provide definitive detail

8. If you haven't already done so, give us the name of the car park/site/location, we may have seen other cases there. 

Thanks @Umkomaas, the address is Lowry Wharf, Salford, Manchester M5 4SS, it's a block of residential apartments 

Fruitcake

If the motorist is/was a resident, or visiting a resident, then the keeper should complain to the management agent as well as the landowner and landlord if applicable.

The resident's lease will have primacy of contract over anything the PPC has to say.

Tysernans2018

Fruitcake said:

If the motorist is/was a resident, or visiting a resident, then the keeper should complain to the management agent as well as the landowner and landlord if applicable.

The resident's lease will have primacy of contract over anything the PPC has to say.

@Fruitcake yes the driver is a resident but was in someone else's allocated bay, they only let one bay per residence and the driver lives with 2 other drivers so parking is a mare 

Fruitcake

Okay, but if there is no mention of a parking company, parking charges, or paying a parking company in the lease/AST/property rental agreement covering the property, then the PPC has no right to claim monies from the keeper, or any resident or visitor.
There is also often a statement in a lease etcetera about a resident's right to quiet enjoyment. Is there any mention of what will happen if the lease parking terms are breached?

 

Tysernans2018

Fruitcake said:

Okay, but if there is no mention of a parking company, parking charges, or paying a parking company in the lease/AST/property rental agreement covering the property, then the PPC has no right to claim monies from the keeper, or any resident or visitor.
There is also often a statement in a lease etcetera about a resident's right to quiet enjoyment. Is there any mention of what will happen if the lease parking terms are breached?

 

@Fruitcake I'll try and find out pal cheers 🍻