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  • KeithP said:
    KeithP said:
    With a Claim Issue Date of 8th April, you have until Wednesday 27th April to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Wednesday 11th May 2022 to file your Defence.
    That's a little over two weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.

    I have submitted the Claim Form via www.moneyclaim.gov.uk
    Have you indeed?

    It is quite clear from reading further that you have in fact filed an Acknowledgment of Service.

    As things progress, clarity is going to be quite important especially when you come to write a Defence and Witness Statement.
    Hello KeithP

    You are indeed correct, it was an Acknowledgment of Service, the printout was vaguely similar to the claim form, from which I was taking the information to process the Acknowledgment.

    I am certainly not getting high grades today. I have "Must try harder" flashing into my minds eye from old school reports. I will endeavour to do better from now on if Matron will stop upping the meds.

    Keep well KeithP

    Kind regards
    Vlad_The_Inhaler


  • The Template Defence thread is easy to understand.  Takes most posters half an hour.  Show us your draft edits to points 2 and 3.

    PLEASE as well, complain to the SRA about that BW Legal letter. Details in other threads.
    Thank you for your reply, it is heart warming to see so many people like your goodself freely giving their time to others.

    Forgive my lack of knowledge, having spent a great deal of time over the last few months, it is a rather steep learning curve to learn the intricacies of the law and penalty notices. One often reflects on why the law is not taught in school? Is it perhaps so we, the masses are easier to fleece?

    Just to confirm this is the letter I need to re-write in sections 2 and 3 in my own words? Also it is very comprehensive, does it all need to be included?

    "IN THE COUNTY COURT

    Claim No.:  xxxxxx

    Between

    Full name of parking firm Ltd, not the solicitor!

    (Claimant) 

    - and -  

    Defendant’s name from N1 claim (can’t be changed to driver now)                        

     (Defendant)

    _________________

    DEFENCE

    1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.  It is denied that any conduct by the driver gave rise to a ‘parking charge’ and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or to form contracts in their own name at the location.

    The facts as known to the Defendant:

    2. It is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question but liability is denied. 

    ^EDIT THIS, IF NOT THE REGISTERED KEEPER^.  You might add 'and driver'.   Alternatively, deny being the driver in #2 (ONLY IF TRUE).  If you don't know for sure, say say that).

    3. [EXPLAIN IN YOUR OWN WORDS...]  

    Explain briefly what business the driver had there & what went wrong?  Were signs obscured/unlit in darkness? Did a permit slip off the dash, or the keypad failed to record the full VRM?   If the PCN was issued at a residential site where you live, mention your parking rights - equally good if there's no mention of permit obligations - in your lease.

    4. The facts in this defence come from the Defendant's own knowledge and honest belief.  The Defendant should not be criticised for using some pre-written wording from a reliable source.  The Claimant is urged not to patronise the Defendant with (ironically template) unfounded accusations of not understanding their defence. This Defendant signed it after full research and having read this defence several times, because the court process is outside of their life experience.  The claim was an unexpected shock.

    5. With regard to template statements, the Defendant observes after researching other parking cases, that the Particulars of Claim ('POC') set out a generic and incoherent statement of case.  Prior to this - and in breach of the pre-action protocol for 'Debt' Claims - no copy of the contract (sign) was served with a Letter of Claim.  The POC is sparse on facts about the allegation, making it difficult to respond in depth at this time.  

    6.  This Claimant continues to pursue a hugely disproportionate fixed sum (routinely added per PCN) despite indisputably knowing that this is now banned.  It seems they have also calculated 8% interest on that false sum. It is denied that the quantum sought is recoverable (authorities: two well-known ParkingEye cases where modern penalty law rationale was applied).  Attention is drawn to paras 98, 100, 193, 198 of ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC67.  Also ParkingEye Ltd v Somerfield Stores Ltd ChD [2011] EWHC 4023(QB) where the parking charge was £75, discounted to £37.50 for prompt payment.  Whilst £75 was reasonable, HHJ Hegarty (sitting at the High Court; later ratified by the CoA) held in paras 419-428 that admin costs inflating it to £135 'would appear to be penal'.

                SECTIONS 7 to 13 removed due my post exceeding the allowed amount of characters

    14. This overrides mistakes made in the appeal cases that the parking industry try to rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy).  Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals were findings by Circuit Judges who appeared to be inexperienced in the nuances of private parking law and were led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal further.  In case this Claimant tries to rely upon those cases, the Defendant avers that significant errors were made.  Evidence was either overlooked (including inconspicuous signage in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice, including rules for surveillance cameras and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy).  In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted contract in Beavis. The learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of facts and evidence as the DLUHC, whose Code now clarifies all such matters.

    POFA and CRA breaches

    15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation').  If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance. 

    16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA').  The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'.  In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer.

    17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer.  In the case of a 'PCN', this must have been served to the driver whilst the vehicle was stationary or, at sites remotely monitored by ANPR/CCTV, served to the keeper so that the motorist learns about it quickly. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair dealing and good faith. 

    ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished

    18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must be determined on their own facts.  That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, given the location and clear signs with the parking charge in the largest/boldest text.  Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts (in particular, the brief, conspicuous yellow & black warning signs) set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach.

    19. Without the Beavis case to support the claim and no alternative calculation of loss/damage, this claim must fail.  Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a legitimate interest in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach.  The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with concealed pitfalls/traps, hidden terms or unfair/unexpected obligations.

    20.  In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver.  Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous penalty was seen or agreed.  Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include:

    (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and

    (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2,

    both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and

    (ii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound.  It was unsurprising that she did not see the sign, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio).  

    21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies.  In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." 

    Lack of landowner authority evidence and lack of ADR

    22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an independently signed landowner agreement (ref: KADOE rules).  It is not accepted that the Claimant has adhered to a defined enforcement boundary, hours of operation, any extended grace period or exemptions (whatever these definitions were) nor that this Claimant has authority from the landowner to issue charges at this place or for the reason given.  The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of this, and that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name, rather than merely acting as agents for a principal, as some parking firms do.

    23. Further, the Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR).  The rival Trade Bodies provided 'blink and you've missed it' time-limited appeals services which failed to consider facts or rules of law properly and unfairly rejected disputes: e.g. despite using legally qualified but anonymous Adjudicators, the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report).  The Appeals Annex in the new Code shows that genuine disputes such as this, even if made late, would have seen the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed.  Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and any reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair ADR was ever on offer.

    24. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks:

    (a) for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and

    (b) that, in the event of a late Notice of Discontinuance (due to parking firms using and abusing the court process as a cheap - indeed lucrative - form of debt collection) the hearing continues as a costs hearing. CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) but this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))."   The Defendant may seek a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5.

    Conclusion

    25. With the DLUHC's ban on additional costs, there is now ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims.  For HMCTS to only dismiss extortionate costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings, whilst allowing other such claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers every year, who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts due to intimidating tactics at pre-action stage. The Defendant believes that knowingly enhanced parking claims cause consumer harm on a grand scale and it is in the public interest that claims like this should not be allowed to continue.  The Defendant invites the court to dismiss the false 'costs' element at least, and to consider whether an appropriate sanction is to resume the policy of striking out parking claims altogether, where the POC include a vague but fixed sum in 'damages/costs'. 

    26. The claim is entirely without merit and the Claimant is urged to discontinue now, to avoid incurring costs and wasting the court's time and that of the Defendant. 

    Statement of Truth

    I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

    Defendant’s signature:

    Date:"

    I am awaiting information relevant to the case which I am hopeful will arrive shortly to include in my defence.

    Keep well and again thank you for your replies one and all.

    Best regards.
    vlad_The_Inhaler
  • KeithP
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    Just to confirm this is the letter I need to re-write in sections 2 and 3 in my own words? Also it is very comprehensive, does it all need to be included?
    Doesn't the opening post in the Template Defence thread answer those two questions?

    You are surely no expecting anyone to read what you have posted and confirm whether or not it matches the suggested template?
  • KeithP said:
    Just to confirm this is the letter I need to re-write in sections 2 and 3 in my own words? Also it is very comprehensive, does it all need to be included?
    Doesn't the opening post in the Template Defence thread answer those two questions?

    You are surely no expecting anyone to read what you have posted and confirm whether or not it matches the suggested template?
    Hello KeithP thank you for your reply.

    My intention was not for folks to go through it thoroughly, it is a cut and paste of the defence letter I believe Coupon-mad was referring. As a relative newbie I believe I am not allowed to post links, however I maybe mistaken on this point. Please bare with me, the site has so many posts, without direct links,  I am having trouble locating the exact information. My problem not the threads.

    To clarify what I am seeking is that this is the letter referred to in Coupon-mad's post.

    Kind regards.
    Vlad_The_Inhaler

    Post Scriptum: Why does the forum put in extra spaces between paragraphs into my posts?


  • Le_Kirk
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    edited 8 May 2022 at 1:10PM
    It is not a letter, it is the defence template and if you follow the instructions in the thread where you found the template, you will see that you adjust paragraphs 2 & 3 and post those paragraphs ONLY for critique by the regulars.  When critique and further editing is done by you, then you attach your paragraphs 2 & 3 back to the template and that gets sent to the CCBC.
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  • As requested here is the defence. I am still awaiting further confirmation of the error code's exact meaning, however I have decided to get the meat of the defence scrutinised by you good folks more learned in this matter.

    Defence sections 2 and 3

    2. It is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question but liability is denied.

    3.The vehicle was parked in the stated car park, a ticket was purchased in good faith, adhering to inputting the registration number and displaying the ticket in the windscreen.

    Entry to the car park was at 15:58:09 15th October 2021. The ticket was purchased at 16:00 hrs for 2 hours, exit was at 17:36.33 15th October 2021.

    Copy of the ticket purchased:

                                                                       image.jpg

    We have since learned post parking, as can be seen, an error code RR appears on the ticket. It has subsequently come to our attention the vehicle registration number ought to be printed here. No indication on the carpark signage is provided to explain that the registration number should be displayed on the ticket, in addition by not having the registration details on the ticket, indicates the ticket is invalid.

    No warning or indication was provided at the time of the purchase that even by paying the requested amount, inputting the registration number and adhering to the time limit purchased, that a penalty would be issued, if the ticket was not correctly issued.

    Also I would like to draw your attention to the recent case of Excel Parking v Mrs S. C8DP11F9 (Peel Centre ticket failure).

    The final paragraph is reproduced here.

    “I am satisfied that the ticket then produced is the ticket that she has produced to the court. It was through no fault of hers that this ticket displayed the letters “QQ” instead of her registration number. She obtained a ticket. She made the payment to obtain that. She displayed that ticket. It shows the relevant time of entry. It shows the amount that she has paid and it shows the registration number that the ticket machine produced. It would have been unreasonable to expect the defendant to do anything further beyond that as far as I am concerned. The registration number is not accurately
    reflected but that is through no fault on the part of the defendant and I find on the balance of probabilities that the defendant had inputted the correct registration number and she had then displayed the ticket that was issued and so to all intents and purposes had fully complied with the terms and conditions applicable to this car park. Accordingly, I am going to dismiss the claim.”

    All other sections of the defence template have been left unaltered.

    Thank you in advance for your time.

    Best regards.

    Vlad_The_Inhaler
  • Coupon-mad
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    Perfect - and whilst a defence doesn't normally contain any images I think plonking that image there of the ticket proving it says 'RR'  is worthwhile in your case.  Should see them discontinue, one hopes.

    Oh, every paragraph needs a number.
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  • 1505grandad
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    Highlighting KP's usual post re Defence filing:-

    "Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Wednesday 11th May 2022 to file your Defence."
  • Good Day fellow forum dwellers,

    Just to keep you abreast of where we are at this time.

    We have received a letter from the HM Courts & Tribunals Service, I will type it out below and I quote:

    "I acknowledging receipt of your defence. A copy is being served on the claimant (or the claimant's solicitor). The claimant may contact you direct to attempt to resolve any dispute. If the dispute cannot be resolved informally, the claimant will inform the court that he wishes to proceed. The court will then inform you of what will happen.

    Where he wishes to proceed, the claimant must contact the court within 28 days after receiving a copy of your defence. after that period has elapsed, the claim will be stayed. The only action the claimant can then take will be to apply to a judge for an order lifting the stay.

    The Court manager"


    Dated prior to the above letter from the HM Courts & tribunal Service, we received a letter from BW Legal, outlining they represent Premier Parking Solutions, etc..

    They included again  a paragraph quoted here:

    "It's still not too late

    Whilst our client is now able to request the court to enter a CCJ against you, it is still not too late to get in touch with us to discuss the options available to you to prevent a CCJ and avoid additional legal costs being added to your balance."

    There are other paragraphs liberally spreading around the word CCJ and again the offer of paying in pre-approved instalments without prejudice.

    I am seeing a pattern with BW Legal where they repeatedly do not act in good faith.

    Yours in the Cause.

    Vlad_The_Inhaler





  • Coupon-mad
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    All as expected and this is mentioned in the 12 steps in the first post of the Template Defence thread.
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