UKPC County Court Business Claim

moneymat

Good afternoon

Firstly, apologies as Im sure you are sick of these. I have been through the newbies thread & picked up quite a bit of info but nothing that seems to relate to my particular situation. I have received a court claim (issued 13 December) from UKPC issued by DCB Legal Ltd signed by Yasmin Mia relating to a parking fine issued in 2017 which I thought had been resolved. My daughter was living a flat in Maidenhead leased by the company she worked for. I was visiting her & parked in the residents car parking her parking permit. unfortunately, the permit which was only flimsy paper must have fallen off the dashboard overnight (a mistake I have been careful to avoid ever since) so I got a parking ticket. My daughter & somebody at the company rang UKPC & explained that Was legally entitled to park there. I was told that the matter had been dealt with so thought no more about it & now I've received this court claim. Not sure if the person who dealt with it even works for the company now so in a bit of a quandary about how to defend it. My daughter still has the parking pass if that helps.

Many thanks

KeithP

Hello and welcome.

What is the Issue Date on your County Court Claim Form?

moneymat

13 December 2021

KeithP

KeithP said:

Hello and welcome.

What is the Issue Date on your County Court Claim Form?

moneymat said:

13 December 2021

With a Claim Issue Date of 13th December, you have until Tuesday 4th January 2022 to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 

To file an AoS, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.

Having filed an AoS in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 17th January 2022 to file your Defence.

That's four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.

To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.

Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.

moneymat

Thank you so much. Now I just need to find an appropriate defence!

Redx

moneymat said:

Thank you so much. Now I just need to find an appropriate defence!

Start with the defence template by coupon mad at the top of the forum

If you are keeper but not the driver , say so in paragraph 2 , if you are both , say so

Read ten or twenty other defences from this year , to draft 2 and 3 , then post only your adapted paragraphs below for critique , do not post the rest of the template , it is your homework being checked not coupon mads

The lease , primacy of the contract , plus permission given are the primary Defence points

Le_Kirk

Search the forum for "fluttering ticket" defences.  If the PPC cannot provide strong, self-adhesive permits, this is a frustration of contract.  It is almost as if they want the permit to fall off the windscreen/dashboard and create the situation deliberately - a sort of entrapment!

patient_dream

Follow what Keith  has said.

Yes, we are sick of these stupid claims from DCBL. Judges are  as well, no doubt.

Bear in mind that UKPC are dragging up these old tickets, must be really hard up now as covid last year meant no tickets in many places.

Have you sent UKPC a SAR requesting information of the signs.  You are not looking for current signs, UKPC must prove that in 2017 their signs, which creates the contract, clearly showed what DCBL claim.

If this is another Yasmin Mia pot of rubbish that she signs as a statement of truth, she is claiming DAMAGES ........ this is a DCBL invention and the signs will not say damages in 2017
DCBL invented this within the last 12 months as in 2017, DCBL were not playing musical chairs in the parking industry.  They seemed to more concentrated on the rubbish TV programme "Can't pay" as they display in their letters, it really is hilarious

So, get pictures of the signs for 2017 but a big warning...... UKPC were caught doctoring timestamps on pitcures ..... confirmed here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35253759

It therefore does not follow that the pictures they send are correct with a timestamp.
We have seen a few of these on here ... Photoshop is amazing software

Are DCBL smart cookies, NO,  they recently cost another parking company called VCS £1000 for a rubbish claim ....... Is Yasmin Mia a real person and why does she sign a statement of truth which is not true, a court judge deserves a full explanation

Has your daughter complaimed to the MA to get this utter rubbish cancelled.

Have you read this thread ? ....

DCBL letters ... forum group thread
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6237177/dcbl-letters-forum-group-thread#latest

moneymat

Thank you all so much for the information & offers of help it is greatly appreciated. I have filed the AOS & will work on the defence after Christmas. I may have the original letter that I received with photos so would I still need to send a SAR or should I send one anyway to see if it differs from the original? I just have one question what is the MA? If it refers to management or maintenance of apartments I'm afraid that she no longer lives there she left in 2018.

Redx

Email it anyway , because you require ALL data , not just what you have there !

MA is managing agent , they are jointly and severally liable due to contracting the parking company , so current residency or not is irrelevant , this is about what happened and by who at the time !

moneymat

Thanks for the advice will send SAR & try to find out who MA is.