Have I been "blacklisted" from a job? Seeking reference for a new one (police)

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MalMonroe said:

arctic_ghost said:

Policing requires a degree of maturity, do you feel your a good fit?

That's a bit rude. OP will receive thorough training if they are accepted for the police. But the police application process is quite involved and sorts out the best candidates. The OP will have the same chance as anyone else. Making assumptions about someone else's maturity and/or fitness when you don't even know them is way out of line. 

Also, it's 'you're', not your.

Complain to ACAS.

qwertyK

Sandtree said:

qwertyK said:

Merlin139 said:

0345 304 7474 M&S HR Dept

M&S will only give a basic reference and it will say you you resigned without notice. Store or Department/Commercial managers do not do references. 

- I don't think there was a notice period as I'd worked there less than a month?
- And considering I've passed all the application stages and only have vetting and medical to go...I think i'm mature enough thank you . This job clashed with an existing one so it was difficult to maintainarctic_ghost said:

Policing requires a degree of maturity, do you feel your a good fit?

There will have been a notice period, it may have been short and they may have agreed to waive it if you had had a discussion but they typically wont have a 0 notice as that leaves them short staffed the next day.

Large companies dont allow managers to do references, far too much risk of libel which really isnt in the corporate entities interest. You could be the worst employee in the world but why risk being sued when the only person that benefits from the reference is your next employer? Even if its fully factual its a headache having to deal with someone suing you and again, no benefit to your previous employer.

More commonly a company will refuse to give a reference rather than a bad one. Many big companies will only confirm the most basic details like start date, end date and job title on leaving and will ignore all the other questions about your punctuality or relationship with team members. The only ones that sometimes gets answered is the basis for leaving (fired, resigned, redundancy) and the "would you hire them again".

The problem can be everyone knows that no reference is generally code for bad reference but without it actually being a bad reference there is absolutely no grounds for litigation. 

Oh right so even if they don't give one any prospective employer couldn't read too much into that?
You may be right - it may indeed be 1 week but I cannot for the life of me find the contract. I don't even remember signing one which raises even more questions about the legitimacy of the company who I have entrusted with paying me. I just looked on the Citizens Advice who say if you work somewhere for less than a month generally you can leave without notice.
If you're saying qabout "would you hire them again" I'm not confident they'd tick that if I've been blacklisted for 6 months or permenantly but then maybe HR wouldn't get involved in that. 

Marvel1

arctic_ghost said:

Policing requires a degree of maturity, do you feel your a good fit?

But a manager does not?

Marvel1

MalMonroe said:

If it's Marks and Spencer, you should go over this manager's head. First of all to report her dreadful 'managing' process and how she treats people with disabilities and then to also have a discussion about your experience there and how it's made you feel.

I would report from being a customer angle, spoke to her as a customer and their attitude.

Sandtree

qwertyK said:

Sandtree said:

qwertyK said:

Merlin139 said:

0345 304 7474 M&S HR Dept

M&S will only give a basic reference and it will say you you resigned without notice. Store or Department/Commercial managers do not do references. 

- I don't think there was a notice period as I'd worked there less than a month?
- And considering I've passed all the application stages and only have vetting and medical to go...I think i'm mature enough thank you . This job clashed with an existing one so it was difficult to maintainarctic_ghost said:

Policing requires a degree of maturity, do you feel your a good fit?

There will have been a notice period, it may have been short and they may have agreed to waive it if you had had a discussion but they typically wont have a 0 notice as that leaves them short staffed the next day.

Large companies dont allow managers to do references, far too much risk of libel which really isnt in the corporate entities interest. You could be the worst employee in the world but why risk being sued when the only person that benefits from the reference is your next employer? Even if its fully factual its a headache having to deal with someone suing you and again, no benefit to your previous employer.

More commonly a company will refuse to give a reference rather than a bad one. Many big companies will only confirm the most basic details like start date, end date and job title on leaving and will ignore all the other questions about your punctuality or relationship with team members. The only ones that sometimes gets answered is the basis for leaving (fired, resigned, redundancy) and the "would you hire them again".

The problem can be everyone knows that no reference is generally code for bad reference but without it actually being a bad reference there is absolutely no grounds for litigation. 

Oh right so even if they don't give one any prospective employer couldn't read too much into that?
You may be right - it may indeed be 1 week but I cannot for the life of me find the contract. I don't even remember signing one which raises even more questions about the legitimacy of the company who I have entrusted with paying me. I just looked on the Citizens Advice who say if you work somewhere for less than a month generally you can leave without notice.
If you're saying qabout "would you hire them again" I'm not confident they'd tick that if I've been blacklisted for 6 months or permenantly but then maybe HR wouldn't get involved in that. 

Some will, some wont, some references wont even mention it.

CAB etc will say what the default legal position, you have to remember that notice periods in the eyes of the law are generally good things as it means companies cannot just get rid of you and so the law sets minimums but not maximums. Contracts cannot take you below the minimum but they can make it longer.

When working for a company with a massive call centre operation we used to get people that just disappeared, normally within the first few weeks of joining the company. We historically had recorded them as "assumed resignation" but at a later point we were brought inline with the rest of the Group and noted them as "gross misconduct - AWOL". If you leave improperly you are somewhat at the company's mercy as to how they categorise it and what they share with others asking for references. 

qwertyK

Sandtree said:

qwertyK said:

Sandtree said:

qwertyK said:

Merlin139 said:

0345 304 7474 M&S HR Dept

M&S will only give a basic reference and it will say you you resigned without notice. Store or Department/Commercial managers do not do references. 

- I don't think there was a notice period as I'd worked there less than a month?
- And considering I've passed all the application stages and only have vetting and medical to go...I think i'm mature enough thank you . This job clashed with an existing one so it was difficult to maintainarctic_ghost said:

Policing requires a degree of maturity, do you feel your a good fit?

There will have been a notice period, it may have been short and they may have agreed to waive it if you had had a discussion but they typically wont have a 0 notice as that leaves them short staffed the next day.

Large companies dont allow managers to do references, far too much risk of libel which really isnt in the corporate entities interest. You could be the worst employee in the world but why risk being sued when the only person that benefits from the reference is your next employer? Even if its fully factual its a headache having to deal with someone suing you and again, no benefit to your previous employer.

More commonly a company will refuse to give a reference rather than a bad one. Many big companies will only confirm the most basic details like start date, end date and job title on leaving and will ignore all the other questions about your punctuality or relationship with team members. The only ones that sometimes gets answered is the basis for leaving (fired, resigned, redundancy) and the "would you hire them again".

The problem can be everyone knows that no reference is generally code for bad reference but without it actually being a bad reference there is absolutely no grounds for litigation. 

Oh right so even if they don't give one any prospective employer couldn't read too much into that?
You may be right - it may indeed be 1 week but I cannot for the life of me find the contract. I don't even remember signing one which raises even more questions about the legitimacy of the company who I have entrusted with paying me. I just looked on the Citizens Advice who say if you work somewhere for less than a month generally you can leave without notice.
If you're saying qabout "would you hire them again" I'm not confident they'd tick that if I've been blacklisted for 6 months or permenantly but then maybe HR wouldn't get involved in that. 

Some will, some wont, some references wont even mention it.

CAB etc will say what the default legal position, you have to remember that notice periods in the eyes of the law are generally good things as it means companies cannot just get rid of you and so the law sets minimums but not maximums. Contracts cannot take you below the minimum but they can make it longer.

When working for a company with a massive call centre operation we used to get people that just disappeared, normally within the first few weeks of joining the company. We historically had recorded them as "assumed resignation" but at a later point we were brought inline with the rest of the Group and noted them as "gross misconduct - AWOL". If you leave improperly you are somewhat at the company's mercy as to how they categorise it and what they share with others asking for references. 

Isn’t AWOL different to resigning without notice? As in you don’t even tell them you’ve left you just don’t turn up for work ever again 

elsien

qwertyK said:

So I'm 18, started what was supposedly a "part time" job (advertised as 12hrs) , and quickly didn't like it.
My manager was extremely unprofessional, blatantly rude, and hostile towards me.
She had no consideration for the fact I was also working a second job in the evenings and gave me as little as half an hour between the two (meaning I was effectively doing a 9 hour day with a 15 minute break - illegal).
................

For the sake of accuracy, if you choose to have two jobs it's not the role of job number one to make sure you have enough time between the two of them.  A 9 hour day with a 15 minute break when it is two separate jobs is not illegal.  Working longer hours than contracted is par for the course with a lot of supermarkets - not saying that it a good thing, but it is a fact of life. 
For future reference it's also not illegal to have long hours without a formal break in some jobs where where there are exemptions from the rules on breaks and compensatory rest is applied instead. 

If you didn't declare your disability and need for reasonably adjustments in the post interview health part of the application process then how do you expect people to be able to take them into account?   

elsien

qwertyK said:

Merlin139 said:

A long time since I started with M&S but you are normally temp staff on weekly pay. Sure I was originally on 1 weeks notice. Give the M&S corporate address.

I do remember a college who started with me and left without completing her weeks notice after 6 months. The reference they gave her stated that she worked for the company from X to Y dates and left without completing her notice period. The reference made no difference to her and that was over 10 years ago.

Marks and Spencer Group plc
Waterside House
35 North Wharf Road
London
W2 1NW

My bad sent it already without the corp address but if they ask for an address I'll give it.
I did suspect they might just literally confirm I worked there.
There would have been little point in me completin my notice period as the job ended after then and considering my manager had basically literally threatened to not have me paid if I didn't come in on my own time and sort some admin thing out, I wouldn't have put up with that. 

On a seperate issue - payment.
I was accidentally mis-paid around £500 as I said which I have been told not to touch but it's still sitting in my account. Also they haven't paid me today yet I should hvave been. Tried getting through to HR but its virtually impossible.

If you have been overpaid by £500 and your final pay is less than that then you aren't going get any more pay from them.  They will adjust it and let you know what you owe them. You've only just walked out. You need to give payroll time to work it all out.

Grumpy_chap

References are a funny thing and all I ever look for is the basic facts as to the individual's employment role, dates, etc. to see that matches with what I've been told plus I always ask "would you re-employ?" and that yes/no answer is the only thing I'm really interested in. 

When the reference is from a corporate that don't respond to our request but provide their standard, sanitised response it's usually only verification of facts that can be done as the information is usually insufficient to even infer an answer to the question "would you re-employ?"

I'd imagine that M&S will provide the sanitised reference.

Marvel1

Jillanddy said:

On a slightly different tack, I must say that I'm impressed that the police are recruiting 18 year old disabled employees. Round here someone off that age and medical background would never get a look in.  Some forces are obviously much more forward looking than others.  

Desk job, behind the scenes, admin work - could be anything that does not involve being on patrol or driving.

EDIT: Not hard to find an example https://allpolicejobs.co.uk/jobs/910336