2015 kw's Zoey, considerations.

Dandytf

Hi mser's

What does 22kw's mean in daily driving terms.
Considering 2015 22kw's Zoey 29.5k miles approx., over from 2015 petrol Clio 14.250 miles.
This would be trade in , clearing 5.2k balance 500 cashback.

Whilst WFH continues I hopefully won't be anywhere near 10k miles per year, closer to 6k until further notice.

1. How many miles can one expect from fully charged Zoey
2 Is it measured in kilowatt's per hour or mile or volts.
3. Do EV drivers honestly sit in a charging station for hours.
4. Tax is ZERO what are MOT cost's when EV rather than Petrol Engines, apart from tyres, breaks and exhaust.
5. Any other considerations pre online purchase.

thanks

Neil49

I suggest that you read the Auto Express used car review on the Zoe to get an idea of what you are getting involved with. The car had an update in 2015, which one are you thinking of. A simple Google search will find it. 

Servicing is an issue because not all dealers service electric cars. Additionally, the 5 year battery warranty has expired. That's an area of concern. 

Unless you really know the ins and outs of older electric cars I would tread very carefully and do your research.

facade

Expect between 3 and 4 miles per kwh, so a 22kwh will do between 66 - 88 miles, so depending on what deal you can get on your electricity, they cost about 5p a mile, the petrol clio is probably around 12p, so you'd save around 7p a mile, it will take a long time to pay for it with the savings.

MOT costs are the same as a petrol car, the same sort of things wear out, except there is no exhaust.

I thought Zoe's had a leased battery - which costs an absolute fortune, probably work out at more than that 7p a mile you were going to save!

MX5huggy

I’m never quite sure with posts like these if people are serious about an EV or just doing a whatabouttry post and we will end up in colbolt mines vs oil well debates but let’s take it at face value.

The Zoe is fairly unique in 2 ways as an EV. It was available as a battery lease option, so any Zoe your looking you need to know if it’s a battery lease one or a owned battery one from the top of my head the lease is £59 per month so the car will be cheaper to buy. An old car with a lease battery is not a bad thing as if the battery fails Renault have to replace it whereas an owned battery they don’t have to replace out of warranty (not that the batteries fail often). 

The second feature is that Zoe’s of that age only have high power AC charging at 22kW compared with most other cars that only charge at 7kW on AC but also have DC charging at 50KW plus. This is good because there are quite a lot of public 22 KW chargers but bad because you can’t use the even faster DC chargers. At home you’re restricted to 7kW if you get a charge point fitted (unless you are on 3 phase supply but that is unusual).

range of a Zoe, look it up there the official Figure and then real range. 

Most people talk about miles per kWh which I would expect to be between 3.5 and 4.5.

Never sat waiting for my EV to charge, 99% of the time I’m sleeping sometimes I’m shopping or eating lunch.

MOTs are the same price as ICE cars serving is cheaper because there’s a lot less to service. No oils etc.

mgfvvc

1. EV database suggests an 85 mile real world range. Obviously that is variable depending on the type of driving and battery health.

2. What are you trying to measure?

3. If you try to use the Zoe for long distance driving then you will end up spending a lot of time in charging stations. The peak charging rate is 22kw, so a full charge will take at least an hour. With the 85 mile range that will make long journeys slow. A 22kwh is more suited to shortish local journeys with overnight charging on a driveway.

4. Servicing costs should be minimal. No oil changes required, no cooling systems and gearbox to look after.

5. Make sure the battery health is good. If it's a lease battery that's an extra cost, but you don't have to worry about the cost of replacement if there is a problem. I haven't heard of any battery issues with Zoes, but DYOR.

Dandytf

Neil49 said:

I suggest that you read the Auto Express used car review on the Zoe to get an idea of what you are getting involved with. The car had an update in 2015, which one are you thinking of. A simple Google search will find it. 

Servicing is an issue because not all dealers service electric cars. Additionally, the 5 year battery warranty has expired. That's an area of concern. 

Unless you really know the ins and outs of older electric cars I would tread very carefully and do your research.

thanks let me read this afternoon.

appreciated.

Dandytf

facade said:

Expect between 3 and 4 miles per kwh, so a 22kwh will do between 66 - 88 miles, so depending on what deal you can get on your electricity, they cost about 5p a mile, the petrol clio is probably around 12p, so you'd save around 7p a mile, it will take a long time to pay for it with the savings.

MOT costs are the same as a petrol car, the same sort of things wear out, except there is no exhaust.

I thought Zoe's had a leased battery - which costs an absolute fortune, probably work out at more than that 7p a mile you were going to save!

Excellent that's what I mean when I questioned real driving terms.
3-4 miles per kilowatt.

Care to answer charging times from 1% or less on Non Fast charge type, though I need to check via dealer website.

Mentions of Leased Battery-I had no idea off, 2nd point I need to check.

MOT comments very good though No Electrical fails to be aware off?

thanks

Dandytf

MX5huggy said:

I’m never quite sure with posts like these if people are serious about an EV or just doing a whatabouttry post and we will end up in colbolt mines vs oil well debates but let’s take it at face value.

The Zoe is fairly unique in 2 ways as an EV. It was available as a battery lease option, so any Zoe your looking you need to know if it’s a battery lease one or a owned battery one from the top of my head the lease is £59 per month so the car will be cheaper to buy. An old car with a lease battery is not a bad thing as if the battery fails Renault have to replace it whereas an owned battery they don’t have to replace out of warranty (not that the batteries fail often). 

The second feature is that Zoe’s of that age only have high power AC charging at 22kW compared with most other cars that only charge at 7kW on AC but also have DC charging at 50KW plus. This is good because there are quite a lot of public 22 KW chargers but bad because you can’t use the even faster DC chargers. At home you’re restricted to 7kW if you get a charge point fitted (unless you are on 3 phase supply but that is unusual).

range of a Zoe, look it up there the official Figure and then real range. 

Most people talk about miles per kWh which I would expect to be between 3.5 and 4.5.

Never sat waiting for my EV to charge, 99% of the time I’m sleeping sometimes I’m shopping or eating lunch.

MOTs are the same price as ICE cars serving is cheaper because there’s a lot less to service. No oils etc.

thanks for taking time to reply, apart from fact that it's almost end of year, my post is 100% serious (Subject to Status)

Congrat's in retaining 99% charging level's, I'm used to ios devices lasting 24 hrs before re-charging Every night.

Please explain ICE term.

Thanks

Dandytf

2015 Renault ZOE

Hatchback 65KW EXPRESSION NAV 22KWH 5DR AUTO

£10,998

Is it possible to check online which charging type and battery if leased or owned.

I'd like to complete this 100% online if possible.

there's another 2015 Zoey though pushing costs over 210 per month 60 months.
Considering my short trips, I'd prefer 22kw's 150 per month approx.

thanks

Dandytf

more dealer site info.

Battery Lease True

Type Linthium-ion

Connecter Type 2

MX5huggy

Dandytf said:

MX5huggy said:

I’m never quite sure with posts like these if people are serious about an EV or just doing a whatabouttry post and we will end up in colbolt mines vs oil well debates but let’s take it at face value.

The Zoe is fairly unique in 2 ways as an EV. It was available as a battery lease option, so any Zoe your looking you need to know if it’s a battery lease one or a owned battery one from the top of my head the lease is £59 per month so the car will be cheaper to buy. An old car with a lease battery is not a bad thing as if the battery fails Renault have to replace it whereas an owned battery they don’t have to replace out of warranty (not that the batteries fail often). 

The second feature is that Zoe’s of that age only have high power AC charging at 22kW compared with most other cars that only charge at 7kW on AC but also have DC charging at 50KW plus. This is good because there are quite a lot of public 22 KW chargers but bad because you can’t use the even faster DC chargers. At home you’re restricted to 7kW if you get a charge point fitted (unless you are on 3 phase supply but that is unusual).

range of a Zoe, look it up there the official Figure and then real range. 

Most people talk about miles per kWh which I would expect to be between 3.5 and 4.5.

Never sat waiting for my EV to charge, 99% of the time I’m sleeping sometimes I’m shopping or eating lunch.

MOTs are the same price as ICE cars serving is cheaper because there’s a lot less to service. No oils etc.

thanks for taking time to reply, apart from fact that it's almost end of year, my post is 100% serious (Subject to Status)

Congrat's in retaining 99% charging level's, I'm used to ios devices lasting 24 hrs before re-charging Every night.

Please explain ICE term.

Thanks

No worries, just sometimes after going through all this people say not for me I’ve just remembered I tow a horse from Edinburgh to Eastbourne twice a month. 

It’s not 99% charge levels retained, I’ve not noticed any degradation on my battery (but it’s probably more than 1%). But I charge at home overnight (normally between 2 and 3 hours per night when I pay 5p per kWh) for nearly all my charging. 

ICE is Internal Combustion Engine. 

If the range is enough for 95% of your journeys then go for it but read up on the battery lease.