Can I be prosecuted? Speeding NIP

BOWFER

Bigphil1474 said:

 If as others have suggested, your name and address is not  on the V5C, then it seems legitimate to me. If your address is on the V5, then they are out of time. I doubt it will have been otherwise the police would have contacted you directly. 

For goodness sake, I wish people would stop going on about the V5 when he's stated the car is leased.
Does your name get stated on the V5 of a hire car?
No.
Leasing is long-term hiring.

GrumpyDil

BOWFER said:

Bigphil1474 said:

 If as others have suggested, your name and address is not  on the V5C, then it seems legitimate to me. If your address is on the V5, then they are out of time. I doubt it will have been otherwise the police would have contacted you directly. 

For goodness sake, I wish people would stop going on about the V5 when he's stated the car is leased.
Does your name get stated on the V5 of a hire car?
No.
Leasing is long-term hiring.

Doubt we're going to get a clear answer but posted by OP on page 2: 

"Do you get a V5 with a leased car?

Although your name will be down on the V5 document as the registered keeper, you will never be in receipt of the V5 logbook as this will stay with the owner." 

So yes looks like his name will be on the V5C but no idea about the address, so assuming it is recorded as C/O the leasing company.

BOWFER

GrumpyDil said:

BOWFER said:

Bigphil1474 said:

 If as others have suggested, your name and address is not  on the V5C, then it seems legitimate to me. If your address is on the V5, then they are out of time. I doubt it will have been otherwise the police would have contacted you directly. 

For goodness sake, I wish people would stop going on about the V5 when he's stated the car is leased.
Does your name get stated on the V5 of a hire car?
No.
Leasing is long-term hiring.

Doubt we're going to get a clear answer but posted by OP on page 2: 

"Do you get a V5 with a leased car?

Although your name will be down on the V5 document as the registered keeper, you will never be in receipt of the V5 logbook as this will stay with the owner." 

So yes looks like his name will be on the V5C but no idea about the address, so assuming it is recorded as C/O the leasing company.

I've yet to see any concrete proof either way for any of the lease cars I've had, but anecdotal stuff I've heard is that there's no mention on the V5 at all - the lease company merely keeps records of who is renting the car at any given time.

DB1904

BOWFER said:

GrumpyDil said:

BOWFER said:

Bigphil1474 said:

 If as others have suggested, your name and address is not  on the V5C, then it seems legitimate to me. If your address is on the V5, then they are out of time. I doubt it will have been otherwise the police would have contacted you directly. 

For goodness sake, I wish people would stop going on about the V5 when he's stated the car is leased.
Does your name get stated on the V5 of a hire car?
No.
Leasing is long-term hiring.

Doubt we're going to get a clear answer but posted by OP on page 2: 

"Do you get a V5 with a leased car?

Although your name will be down on the V5 document as the registered keeper, you will never be in receipt of the V5 logbook as this will stay with the owner." 

So yes looks like his name will be on the V5C but no idea about the address, so assuming it is recorded as C/O the leasing company.

I've yet to see any concrete proof either way for any of the lease cars I've had, but anecdotal stuff I've heard is that there's no mention on the V5 at all - the lease company merely keeps records of who is renting the car at any given time.

Lack of concrete proof doesn't usually stop you peddling rubbish. 

GrumpyDil

BOWFER said:

GrumpyDil said:

BOWFER said:

Bigphil1474 said:

 If as others have suggested, your name and address is not  on the V5C, then it seems legitimate to me. If your address is on the V5, then they are out of time. I doubt it will have been otherwise the police would have contacted you directly. 

For goodness sake, I wish people would stop going on about the V5 when he's stated the car is leased.
Does your name get stated on the V5 of a hire car?
No.
Leasing is long-term hiring.

Doubt we're going to get a clear answer but posted by OP on page 2: 

"Do you get a V5 with a leased car?

Although your name will be down on the V5 document as the registered keeper, you will never be in receipt of the V5 logbook as this will stay with the owner." 

So yes looks like his name will be on the V5C but no idea about the address, so assuming it is recorded as C/O the leasing company.

I've yet to see any concrete proof either way for any of the lease cars I've had, but anecdotal stuff I've heard is that there's no mention on the V5 at all - the lease company merely keeps records of who is renting the car at any given time.

Here's the link to the car leasing companies comments about registered keeper etc.

https://www.allcarleasing.co.uk/guides/your-contract/registered-keeper-lease-car/

AdrianC

Manxman_in_exile said:

Haven't I read about similar lease car situations on Pepipoo?  (I think it might be like Motability - or am I making that one up?)

The individual hiring the vehicle is named as the RK on the V5C, but their address shows as : "c/o Name and address of leasing company".

Might that explain why the NIP in respect of the second offence appears to be late*, and also why the OP got offered a course in respect of the first offence without apparently receiving all the paperwork?

*I presume if the V5C shows the OP's name as RK, but their address as the lease company's address, then so long as the NIP got to the lease company within 14 days then that is OK?  Or does it have to be served on the OP even though the V5C address is not their address?  (Strikes me as a bonkers arrangement if it is true... )

Indeed.

I was trying to wrap my head around how the OP could be the RK, yet the lease company hold the V5C - because, of course, the V5C is sent to the RK at the address on it... That would require the OP to have received it, then forward it on... And, of course, all VED reminders etc would come to the V5C address.

If the V5C address is indeed the lease company's, then that's where the initial s172 notice goes, and that's the relevant 14 day period.

Once that's received at the V5C address, there's 28 days to respond, then a period for the next one to be sent out, etc etc.

TooManyPoints

This OP has had his question adequately answered (as far as it can be). All he needs to do is to ascertain for certain who the RK is. Once he has done that, proper advice can be given. He has been asked to do that a number of times on here because one or two of the things he has said cast doubt on him being the RK. Instead of providing that confirmation he simply posted an identical question on another forum. Unsurprisingly he received similar advice. 

He has not bothered with this forum since 2:13pm yesterday (14th). He posted his question on the other forum just after 5pm yesterday. Apart from spouting some of the same internet drivel which he posted on here about the niceties of leasing a car and being the RK, he has not bothered that forum any further either. So if the OP cannot be bothered to simply clarify what details are shown against his vehicle on the DVLA database then no further meaningful help can be given.

Jenni_D

GrumpyDil said:

BOWFER said:

GrumpyDil said:

BOWFER said:

Bigphil1474 said:

 If as others have suggested, your name and address is not  on the V5C, then it seems legitimate to me. If your address is on the V5, then they are out of time. I doubt it will have been otherwise the police would have contacted you directly. 

For goodness sake, I wish people would stop going on about the V5 when he's stated the car is leased.
Does your name get stated on the V5 of a hire car?
No.
Leasing is long-term hiring.

Doubt we're going to get a clear answer but posted by OP on page 2: 

"Do you get a V5 with a leased car?

Although your name will be down on the V5 document as the registered keeper, you will never be in receipt of the V5 logbook as this will stay with the owner." 

So yes looks like his name will be on the V5C but no idea about the address, so assuming it is recorded as C/O the leasing company.

I've yet to see any concrete proof either way for any of the lease cars I've had, but anecdotal stuff I've heard is that there's no mention on the V5 at all - the lease company merely keeps records of who is renting the car at any given time.

Here's the link to the car leasing companies comments about registered keeper etc.

https://www.allcarleasing.co.uk/guides/your-contract/registered-keeper-lease-car/

And that says exactly what the OP posted ...and is still ambiguous. The OP needs to ask the leasing company to advise whose address is on the V5C - that's the only way to resolve this and determine whether the NIP was out of time.

Anecdotally - I can't say whose address is on my car's V5C (I have a lease/company car via ALD) but I do know that the PNC indicates my name if the police do a check. (I was stopped once - mistaken identity - and they did a PNC check vs my car reg and driving licence to confirm my identity; all was OK). I have also previously received a NIP for speeding which arrived in time - so either the lease company were very quick in turning around the S172 they received, or my address is somehow related to the V5C.

facade

The V5 is posted out to the address on it, so if you haven't got it, it doesn't have your address on. If the lease company have it, it has their address on. The requirement is that the address on the V5 has to be one that you can be contacted at (quickly), not specifically that you live there.

I read the OP's post as that they were the RK and assumed they had the V5 , reading it again it seems more likely that they are the keeper in name only (the lease company hold the V5), and assume DVLA know what their address is by some other means.

TooManyPoints

...and assume DVLA know what their address is by some other means.

The DVLA has no other means. The police (when processing a speeding allegation where the driver was not stopped at the time) take the RK's information effectively from the DVLA database (though in practice it is a download from the DVLA to the PNC). Only if the police have problems contacting the person keeping the vehicle by this usual method do they begin to look at things like the MIB database.

To reiterate, the OP needs to locate the V5C and find out whose details are on it. But it doesn't look like he can be bothered.

...I can't say whose address is on my car's V5C...

Do you get the reminder when the tax is due for renewal?