UKPC Parking fine now resulting in letter from the County Court Business Centre

Coupon-mad

Just do the AOS on paper then.  You’ve got the papers, use the AOS reply form and get proof of posting. Online is not the only way as long as you don’t start filling in the defence boxes!

What makes you think the fine doubles? 

It’s not a fine and even if you lose you’d pay LESS THAN THE CLAIM.  You know that because you know the debt recovery costs are false, which is what you also need to tell the Government.

less than 4 days left for the Consultation.

Greenballs

Coupon-mad said:

Just do the AOS on paper then! Flipping heck use the AOS reply form and get proof of posting, online is not the only way as long as you don’t start filling in the defence boxes!

What in a Million years makes you think the fine doubles? 

It’s not a fine and even if you lose you’d pay LESS THAN THE CLAIM.  You know that because you know the debt recovery costs are false, which is what you also need to tell the Government.

less than 4 days left for the Consultation.

Apologies Coupon-mad

I can see tedious questions getting a bit frustrating, im new to the site and yes the site has a wealth of information but its really difficult to find things sometimes, you guys will know it like the back of your hand but to someone who's not so computer savvy its very overwhelming to say the least.

1) I wasn't aware you could do it, NOT online, it wasn't mentioned or I missed it sorry, im sure the form will be somewhere so ill try find it, can't find it yet but will keep on looking, again thanks for the heads up.

2) Regarding my saying I didn't want to pay double my existing fine, that was because it was posted that the charge will cost a lot more if I was to just ignore, so again apologies, I certainly wasn't aware that debt recovery charges are false (even thought we all know they are), its just me going into panic mode again and stressing. Not for 1 minute did I realise if it went to court that id actually pay less, thats definitely first ive heard of that but very reassuring.

3) Ill fill in the consultation after work when I get home, hopefully it all helps.

Anyway, everyone thank you for your replies, ill stop with the questions now and try find this AOS paper and then try work out where to go after. 

YOU DO A GREAT SERVICE EVERYONE!

KeithP

Greenballs said:

Coupon-mad said:

Just do the AOS on paper then! Flipping heck use the AOS reply form and get proof of posting, online is not the only way as long as you don’t start filling in the defence boxes!

What in a Million years makes you think the fine doubles? 

It’s not a fine and even if you lose you’d pay LESS THAN THE CLAIM.  You know that because you know the debt recovery costs are false, which is what you also need to tell the Government.

less than 4 days left for the Consultation.

1) I wasn't aware you could do it, NOT online, it wasn't mentioned or I missed it sorry, im sure the form will be somewhere so ill try find it, can't find it yet but will keep on looking, again thanks for the heads up.

Anyway, everyone thank you for your replies, ill stop with the questions now and try find this AOS paper and then try work out where to go after. 

It came to you in the same envelope with the Claim Form from the County Court Business Centre.

Greenballs

KeithP said:

Greenballs said:

Coupon-mad said:

Just do the AOS on paper then! Flipping heck use the AOS reply form and get proof of posting, online is not the only way as long as you don’t start filling in the defence boxes!

What in a Million years makes you think the fine doubles? 

It’s not a fine and even if you lose you’d pay LESS THAN THE CLAIM.  You know that because you know the debt recovery costs are false, which is what you also need to tell the Government.

less than 4 days left for the Consultation.

1) I wasn't aware you could do it, NOT online, it wasn't mentioned or I missed it sorry, im sure the form will be somewhere so ill try find it, can't find it yet but will keep on looking, again thanks for the heads up.

Anyway, everyone thank you for your replies, ill stop with the questions now and try find this AOS paper and then try work out where to go after. 

It came to you in the same envelope with the Claim Form from the County Court Business Centre.

Your a star Kieth, will take a look now, thank you.

P

Redx

You posted a picture of it on page 1 , two days ago

Fill it in using a black ink pen , post it to the CCBC in Northampton with a free certificate of posting from the post office counter , not signed for , not special delivery either ,  instead of trying to log into MCOL

After that , your Defence and later on in a few weeks time the postal N180 can both be emailed , so no need to login to MCOL at all , you just follow the usual process using email 

The defence template objects to all the spurious charges , meaning that if a judge grants this objection , the sum owed would be less than the inflated sums on the claim form , if you lost in court , Typically £100 PCN and up to say £100 in legal fees and court costs

Ps , I would probably email a scan of the filled in AOS form ( or download it as a Pdf download and fill it in instead ) and attach it to an email to the CCBCAQ email address , double bubble , post and email , explaining that you are locked out of the government gateway so cannot do it online

They gave you paperwork forms and notes for a reason , so people can use the old fashioned snail mail methods , especially if they have no internet access etc

Greenballs

Redx said:

You posted a picture of it on page 1 , two days ago

Fill it in using a black ink pen , post it to the CCBC in Northampton with a free certificate of posting from the post office counter , not signed for , not special delivery either ,  instead of trying to log into MCOL

After that , your Defence and later on in a few weeks time the postal N180 can both be emailed , so no need to login to MCOL at all , you just follow the usual process using email 

The defence template objects to all the spurious charges , meaning that if a judge grants this objection , the sum owed would be less than the inflated sums on the claim form , if you lost in court , Typically £100 PCN and up to say £100 in legal fees and court costs

Ps , I would probably email a scan of the filled in AOS form ( or download it as a Pdf download and fill it in instead ) and attach it to an email to the CCBCAQ email address , double bubble , post and email , explaining that you are locked out of the government gateway so cannot do it online

They gave you paperwork forms and notes for a reason , so people can use the old fashioned snail mail methods , especially if they have no internet access etc

Found it, filled it in, ready to scan and email, and then get posted...

This is amazing, thank you soooo much guys!

Redx

KeithP said:

With a Claim Issue Date of 16th August, you have until Monday 6th September to file an Acknowledgment of Service but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 

To file an AoS, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread - about ten minutes work.

Having filed an AoS in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 20th September 2021 to file your Defence.

That's four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.

To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service instructions.

Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

Ok , this is where you are up to , 10 days to submit your Defence , as mentioned above by KeithP , so MCOL at the CCBC are waiting for you to email your DEFENCE , so post your draft paragraphs 2 & 3 below , for critique , time is ticking , tick , tick , tick

If you don't , you will get a CCJ in the post

KeithP

A Defence is always written in the third person. You can see that is the case in all the other paragraphs of the template Defence.

Have you altered anything in paragraphs 4 to 18?
If not, why have you shown them to us?

All paragraphs need a number.
That includes the five unnumbered paragraphs you have introduced.
Renumber subsequent paragraphs to suit.

What is RLS? Are you expecting a judge to know that?

Greenballs

KeithP said:

A Defence is always written in the third person. You can see that is the case in all the other paragraphs of the template Defence.

Have you altered anything in paragraphs 4 to 18?
If not, why have you shown them to us?

All paragraphs need a number.
That includes the five unnumbered paragraphs you have introduced.
Renumber subsequent paragraphs to suit.

What is RLS? Are you expecting a judge to know that?

Apoogies, ive deleted the old post, I have zero knowledge on anything like this, is this defence any better:

MY DEFENCE STATEMENT:

Nearly 3 years ago the defendant got a parking ticket from a Super Bowl car park that he had apparently used for many years without needing to purchase a ticket, but a week before the day he supposedly got caught it had changed to UKPC, when he went back to testify, the signs to inform customers were very small, and at the time only on the front desk. It appears The Super Bowl was in the local paper with many people doing the same, 100's had been caught out, it was a very big thing at the time, there was an outrage and he has evidence to prove this.

At the time of receiving the penalty he had to his words, lost his whole world within two months, he suffers from severe mental health issues (he can get a doctors letter to back this up) and as a result of this his 15yr marriage came to an end, he got made redundant from a career he had had for 17yrs, his Grandad passed away, his old faithful dog past away, then the cat, it was endless, one thing after the other, he was in a very bad place for a long long time.

The defendant doesnt even know if it was he who had drove there on that day, (he hasn’t seen proof apart from a picture of the vehicle, no driver). The defendant informs me he and his ex partner used to go there separately all the time, using the defendants car, it was a bitter breakup both fighting for custody of their 2 young children, so he says it wouldn’t surprise him if she got the ticket on purpose just to hurt him

But when the marriage ended and they both moved out of the family home, he moved in with a friend for a while and never received the fine as he hadn't updated his driving licence when moving, so it was only when he had permanent residence a couple of months later he knew anything of the ISSUE, by then it was to late and the bailiffs were chasing him.

He informs me with having my mental health issues he just went into panic mode, he had zero money so couldn't pay so did want mental health people do and just hoped it would go away. The defendant says the anxiety and stress with the constant barrage of letters was killing him so he just ignored all the letters and has been ever since till the 'CLAIM FORM' arrived 3 weeks. So now at the present day the defendant says its impacting his day of life massively, huge anxiety depressed, cant sleep. And like most going through this pandemic time, finding the cost of living a major struggle, having to bring up 2 daughters aged 6 and 10yrs of age, keeping on top of all the bills means every month he can only just scrape by, he has zero savings and is constantly in the red so the fine is the last thing he need. 

The defendant has never been in trouble before, not even a speeding ticket, he just need all this to go away finally so its one less thing for him to worry about in life.

Coupon-mad

You aren’t in trouble.  This isn’t a summons or prosecution.There weren’t any bailiffs chasing anyone.  You don’t have to make excuses for why the demands were ignored - so would lots of people, given this rogue industry!

You need to start again with the template defence you were directed to use.  It only requires one paragraph of facts to be added.

”the Defendant informs me” makes no sense.  The defence is written by the Defendant.