Don't have Housing proof letter for UC and landlady will not give a letter for UC ?

calcotti

lisyloo said: ..I think we have established that they have no actual proof of paying rent because it was all done as cash in hand/goods...

I agree, but OP seemed to think that his statement was proof

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

kayshaw555 said: There is as i would give her money etc.

huckster

When the UC  Housing was verified using the temporary Coronavirus process, it would have been made clear exactly what documentary evidence was required and that once it was possible for DWP to properly verify the Housing, by checkng documents, that DWP would expect the documents  to be provided.

It would appear that 12 months ago when the UC claim was made, that the documents DWP required e.g. tenacy agreement or landlord letter were not available. The person from DWP would have asked for details of the document that was available to prove there there was liability to pay rent on a commercial basis.   Was there a misunderstanding or were DWP told about details of a document that did not exist ?

kayshaw555

huckster said:

When the UC  Housing was verified using the temporary Coronavirus process, it would have been made clear exactly what documentary evidence was required and that once it was possible for DWP to properly verify the Housing, by checkng documents, that DWP would expect the documents  to be provided.

It would appear that 12 months ago when the UC claim was made, that the documents DWP required e.g. tenacy agreement or landlord letter were not available. The person from DWP would have asked for details of the document that was available to prove there there was liability to pay rent on a commercial basis.   Was there a misunderstanding or were DWP told about details of a document that did not exist ?

No they did not ask any single document. Nor they discussed about it. 

kayshaw555

Spoonie_Turtle said:

CosmoChic said:

The only option I can see is for the OP is to throw herself at the mercy of the DWP and hope for some leniency in return for, perhaps, being a witness should the LL/LLs family be committing fraud of any sort.  I'd suggest the OP owes the LL and/or her family no loyalty at this stage.

OP I agree with this, and perhaps it would be a good idea to look for somewhere to rent that is ideally around the price of the LHA for soon after you return to the UK.  That way you would be able to move before being kicked out, even if you're still trying to make some sense of the mess you're currently in.

How can i apply for LHA ? 

kayshaw555

poppy12345 said:

kayshaw555 said:

poppy12345 said:

Then all you can do is speak to her children and ask them for a letter. Other than that i have no idea what else you can do but please don't write a letter and sign it on behalf of your LL.

@poppy12345 for your concern and suggestions. Hopefully am sure they must be a way out. Even if i had to pay i don't want the burden of paying back in one go or less installments. 

They will calculate what you received in total for the time you claimed and then will recalculate what you should have received (minus the housing element) and the difference will be the overpayment amount. You won't have to pay it back in one lump sum.

Ok thanks. And what do i have to write in journal as i am out for more than 28 days. Do i have to write a reason why i am abroad and how long etc . 

calcotti

kayshaw555 said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

CosmoChic said:

The only option I can see is for the OP is to throw herself at the mercy of the DWP and hope for some leniency in return for, perhaps, being a witness should the LL/LLs family be committing fraud of any sort.  I'd suggest the OP owes the LL and/or her family no loyalty at this stage.

OP I agree with this, and perhaps it would be a good idea to look for somewhere to rent that is ideally around the price of the LHA for soon after you return to the UK.  That way you would be able to move before being kicked out, even if you're still trying to make some sense of the mess you're currently in.

How can i apply for LHA ? 

You can’t apply for LHA. LHA is simply the set of rules that determines the maximum amount of help you can get with rent when you are claiming UC - subject to proving that you have a rent liability.

poppy12345

kayshaw555 said:

huckster said:

When the UC  Housing was verified using the temporary Coronavirus process, it would have been made clear exactly what documentary evidence was required and that once it was possible for DWP to properly verify the Housing, by checkng documents, that DWP would expect the documents  to be provided.

It would appear that 12 months ago when the UC claim was made, that the documents DWP required e.g. tenacy agreement or landlord letter were not available. The person from DWP would have asked for details of the document that was available to prove there there was liability to pay rent on a commercial basis.   Was there a misunderstanding or were DWP told about details of a document that did not exist ?

No they did not ask any single document. Nor they discussed about it. 

Are you sure about that? My daughter has a disability and has been claiming UC since January with a fit note because she's unable to work. Although they haven't yet asked to see any fit notes, they've asked for all the details on the fit note and have also asked to keep them safe for when they ask for them.

Robbie64

poppy12345 said:

kayshaw555 said:

huckster said:

When the UC  Housing was verified using the temporary Coronavirus process, it would have been made clear exactly what documentary evidence was required and that once it was possible for DWP to properly verify the Housing, by checkng documents, that DWP would expect the documents  to be provided.

It would appear that 12 months ago when the UC claim was made, that the documents DWP required e.g. tenacy agreement or landlord letter were not available. The person from DWP would have asked for details of the document that was available to prove there there was liability to pay rent on a commercial basis.   Was there a misunderstanding or were DWP told about details of a document that did not exist ?

No they did not ask any single document. Nor they discussed about it. 

Are you sure about that? My daughter has a disability and has been claiming UC since January with a fit note because she's unable to work. Although they haven't yet asked to see any fit notes, they've asked for all the details on the fit note and have also asked to keep them safe for when they ask for them.

I think there was a stage last year where there were so many UC claims that not only were staff being drafted in from other parts of the DWP (and apparently HMRC and elsewhere on a temporary basis) to help with new claims but that there were also easements where payments were being made based simply on the word of the claimant rather than verification checks being undertaken. There wasn't the time to verify every claim. The DWP said at the time they would carry out verification checks later, which is what is now happening.

tomtom256

Early UC claims wher verified under trust and protect, meaning nothing was checked, however there should be a journal advising DWP would ask for evidence at some point in the future.

Fit notes are the same. DWP have just ben asking for the dates they cover.

lisyloo

Not sure of the value of pouring over what should have been done 12 months ago.
It's done and the OP has no proof or any hope of getting any.

They either do the best they can to provide "evidence" or accept the installment plan.