Don't have Housing proof letter for UC and landlady will not give a letter for UC ?

poppy12345

kayshaw555 said:

poppy12345 said:

kayshaw555 said:

poppy12345 said:

Then all you can do is speak to her children and ask them for a letter. Other than that i have no idea what else you can do but please don't write a letter and sign it on behalf of your LL.

@poppy12345 for your concern and suggestions. Hopefully am sure they must be a way out. Even if i had to pay i don't want the burden of paying back in one go or less installments. 

They will calculate what you received in total for the time you claimed and then will recalculate what you should have received (minus the housing element) and the difference will be the overpayment amount. You won't have to pay it back in one lump sum.

When they calculate housing benefit overpayment would they or can they replace it with LHA. Infact my LHA entitlement is more than housing allowance.  LHA is £295 weekly. 

You haven't been claiming housing benefit. It's housing element, which makes up part of your UC maximum entitlement. As the LHA was more than you were receiving, where you working or did the benefit cap apply to you? See link regarding benefit cap. https://www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/how-earnings-affect-when-benefit-cap-starts

kayshaw555

huckster said:

How much UC have you received each month since you made the claim ?

If you had any deductions made for employment earnings for example, you may have received a net UC award much less than the Housing amount.   Housing is just one part of the monthly award calculation.

When the Housing is removed, for each UC monthly award they will recalculate the award as already stated.

For eg its was £1120 in April 2021. 

Standard allowance

You get a standard amount each month. You said you're single : £409.89

Housing £900

You will have to pay your housing to your landlord.You said your rent is £900.00 per month.
Total entitlement before deductions : £1309.89__________________________________________________What we take off (deductions) Take-home pay    ‑ £189.89  Take-home pay is what's left after tax, National Insurance and any pension contributions have been deducted.

Final : £409.89 + £900 ( housing ) = £1309.89
£1309.89 - £189.89 ( take home pay ) = £ 1120

calcotti

So based on that statement you received £900 towards your rent. If you cannot provide the required proof that you had a rent liability of £900 then you were not entitled to receive that part of your UC award and have been overpaid £900 which you will be required to overpay.

During COVID DWP suspended normal documentary checks of what claimants told them. In normal times you would never have been paid this £900/month without having proved your liability.

DWP are now verifying information for all claims started during COVID.

Unfortunately I suspect there will be many claimants who find themselves in similar situations to you when they cannot information required to validate their claims.

If you remain on UC (when you return to UK) they will recover the money by deduction from future payments. If you are no longer on UC you will be expected to make arrangements to repay over time.

lisyloo

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

kayshaw555

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

There is as i would give her money as and when required and she asked. sometimes i have even paid her after 2 months and at times got items for her home use which was covered in rent amount. Do i need to show it just for one month or all months?   

lisyloo

kayshaw555 said:

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

There is as i would give her money as and when required and she asked. sometimes i have even paid her after 2 months and at times got items for her home use which was covered in rent amount. Do i need to show it just for one month or all months?   

I would show as much as you can for as long as you can given you are abroad and time limited - which in practice means what your online system gives you.
my on-line banking (Nat west) goes back 7 years and I can filter as well so maybe not as bad as it sounds if you filter the transactions.

This is not the required proof so there is no guarantee but all you can do is show them the evidence that you have.
why would you want to show them any less than the maximum available if it might help?

poppy12345

kayshaw555 said:

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

There is as i would give her money as and when required and she asked. sometimes i have even paid her after 2 months and at times got items for her home use which was covered in rent amount. Do i need to show it just for one month or all months?   

If the amounts you were withdrawing are much smaller amounts (for EG £50 her and another £20 there) then this will be much harder to prove and liability to pay rent.

lisyloo

poppy12345 said:

kayshaw555 said:

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

There is as i would give her money as and when required and she asked. sometimes i have even paid her after 2 months and at times got items for her home use which was covered in rent amount. Do i need to show it just for one month or all months?   

If the amounts you were withdrawing are much smaller amounts (for EG £50 her and another £20 there) then this will be much harder to prove and liability to pay rent.

Either the OP was paying £900 per month or they weren’t.
I don’t want to judge, but if they genuinely were then they need to try providing as much evidence as they can, not coming up with excuses as to why they can’t.
if they provided “goods in kind” then that also makes things difficult, for example if they purchased a vacuum cleaner who is to say where it went and who it was for.

but in their position if it genuinely was £900 and they have online access then I suggest they provide everything they can to back up their case - what else can they do?

I have to admit I am having suspicious thoughts due to the excuses they keep coming up with for not being able to provide.
first it’s incremental withdrawals, then goods in kind, what next?

calcotti

kayshaw555 said:

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

There is as i would give her money as and when required and she asked. ..

Your assertion that that is what happened is not proof.

lisyloo

calcotti said:

kayshaw555 said:

lisyloo said:

No answer to whether there is proof of £900 worth of cash withdrawals per month?

There is as i would give her money as and when required and she asked. ..

Your assertion that that is what happened is not proof.

I think we have established that they have no actual proof of paying rent because it was all done as cash in hand/goods.

the options are
1) try to present the Evidence they do have 
or 
2) pay back in instalments.

If it was me and it was genuine then I would at least try 1.