Legacy benefits

Frank99

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

Gig1968 said:

Won't be long now till the government are dragged in front of the high court on September 29 and 30 to try and defend themselves against their refusal to uplift the legacy benefits. Should be very interesting indeed. Going to be very costly if they lose. 
The chancellor's pockets will be emptied again and again especially with the gas crisis just round the corner to help him out further.

One moment for celebration for all people on benefits the sacking of that miserable faced hard nosed !!!!!! Mrs Coffey DWP minister ( who had no idea how the real people lived).

I have no sympathy for the Government in the case of JSA, My nephew is a jobseeker and gets around £70 a week and the people on UC who he knows get more even without the uplift and he has to attend the jobcentre every week while his UC friend is told not to attend because of covid safety. He applied for UC and was turned down but he was never told why.

UC is a means tested benefit that's replaced 6 legacy benefits. It's one monthly payment that consists of many different elements, such as, child element, disabled child elements,  carers element, housing element (for help with the rent) LCWRA element for those that are unable to work because of a health condition. Everyone's entitlement will be different depending on their circumstances.

You can't compare your Nephew to someone else, who's circumstances maybe completely different. If your newphew is a single person living at home with parents then he will be entitled to the standard element only, how much will depend on his age. If he has savings of more than £16,000 he will be excluded from claiming.

If he's claiming New style JSA which is a contributions based only benefit then this is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

If he lives with a partner they claim UC as a couple any entitlement will depend on their financial circumstances and earnings will affect the amount they're entitled to, if they don't have the work allowance.

Ok thankyou, Income based JSA is what he claims, Sorry i didn't mean to offend by my comments, i understand people have different circumstances. Just my own personal opinion from what i have seen!

Are you sure it's Income based JSA and not New style JSA? If he claimed for UC in the past then this would have ended entitlement to Income Based JSA and once you claim UC you can't go back to the old legacy benefits.

I have no idea how you can make comments on someone's entitlement to benefits without knowing their exact circumstances.

My understanding was that for a single person Income based JSA was lower than UC for a single person before the uplift and now even more for UC after the uplift so you do the math.

I don't pretend to be any kind of benefits expert having never claimed but based on what my nephew had told me i just thought in an ideal world jobseekers should be given the same, I'm not trying to judge others but i do have a right to give my opinion on the thread, Don't I ?

poppy12345

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

Gig1968 said:

Won't be long now till the government are dragged in front of the high court on September 29 and 30 to try and defend themselves against their refusal to uplift the legacy benefits. Should be very interesting indeed. Going to be very costly if they lose. 
The chancellor's pockets will be emptied again and again especially with the gas crisis just round the corner to help him out further.

One moment for celebration for all people on benefits the sacking of that miserable faced hard nosed !!!!!! Mrs Coffey DWP minister ( who had no idea how the real people lived).

I have no sympathy for the Government in the case of JSA, My nephew is a jobseeker and gets around £70 a week and the people on UC who he knows get more even without the uplift and he has to attend the jobcentre every week while his UC friend is told not to attend because of covid safety. He applied for UC and was turned down but he was never told why.

UC is a means tested benefit that's replaced 6 legacy benefits. It's one monthly payment that consists of many different elements, such as, child element, disabled child elements,  carers element, housing element (for help with the rent) LCWRA element for those that are unable to work because of a health condition. Everyone's entitlement will be different depending on their circumstances.

You can't compare your Nephew to someone else, who's circumstances maybe completely different. If your newphew is a single person living at home with parents then he will be entitled to the standard element only, how much will depend on his age. If he has savings of more than £16,000 he will be excluded from claiming.

If he's claiming New style JSA which is a contributions based only benefit then this is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

If he lives with a partner they claim UC as a couple any entitlement will depend on their financial circumstances and earnings will affect the amount they're entitled to, if they don't have the work allowance.

Ok thankyou, Income based JSA is what he claims, Sorry i didn't mean to offend by my comments, i understand people have different circumstances. Just my own personal opinion from what i have seen!

Are you sure it's Income based JSA and not New style JSA? If he claimed for UC in the past then this would have ended entitlement to Income Based JSA and once you claim UC you can't go back to the old legacy benefits.

I have no idea how you can make comments on someone's entitlement to benefits without knowing their exact circumstances.

My understanding was that for a single person Income based JSA was lower than UC for a single person before the uplift and now even more for UC after the uplift so you do the math.

I don't pretend to be any kind of benefits expert having never claimed but based on what my nephew had told me i just thought in an ideal world jobseekers should be given the same, I'm not trying to judge others but i do have a right to give my opinion on the thread, Don't I ?

Again, your understanding is completely incorrect. JSA is exactly the same amount as standard element of UC. JSA under 25 is £59.20 per week, UC standard element is £257.33 per month. JSA over 25's is £74.70 per week, UC standard element over 25's is £324.84 per month.

UC is paid monthly, JSA is weekly benefit but paid fortnightly. UC standard element worked out as a weekly payment is exactly the same as JSA. These figures are before the uplift.

Everyone has the right to their opinion but in this case no because your opinion isn't correct.

See links https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Universal-Credit-Rates

Frank99

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

Gig1968 said:

Won't be long now till the government are dragged in front of the high court on September 29 and 30 to try and defend themselves against their refusal to uplift the legacy benefits. Should be very interesting indeed. Going to be very costly if they lose. 
The chancellor's pockets will be emptied again and again especially with the gas crisis just round the corner to help him out further.

One moment for celebration for all people on benefits the sacking of that miserable faced hard nosed !!!!!! Mrs Coffey DWP minister ( who had no idea how the real people lived).

I have no sympathy for the Government in the case of JSA, My nephew is a jobseeker and gets around £70 a week and the people on UC who he knows get more even without the uplift and he has to attend the jobcentre every week while his UC friend is told not to attend because of covid safety. He applied for UC and was turned down but he was never told why.

UC is a means tested benefit that's replaced 6 legacy benefits. It's one monthly payment that consists of many different elements, such as, child element, disabled child elements,  carers element, housing element (for help with the rent) LCWRA element for those that are unable to work because of a health condition. Everyone's entitlement will be different depending on their circumstances.

You can't compare your Nephew to someone else, who's circumstances maybe completely different. If your newphew is a single person living at home with parents then he will be entitled to the standard element only, how much will depend on his age. If he has savings of more than £16,000 he will be excluded from claiming.

If he's claiming New style JSA which is a contributions based only benefit then this is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

If he lives with a partner they claim UC as a couple any entitlement will depend on their financial circumstances and earnings will affect the amount they're entitled to, if they don't have the work allowance.

Ok thankyou, Income based JSA is what he claims, Sorry i didn't mean to offend by my comments, i understand people have different circumstances. Just my own personal opinion from what i have seen!

Are you sure it's Income based JSA and not New style JSA? If he claimed for UC in the past then this would have ended entitlement to Income Based JSA and once you claim UC you can't go back to the old legacy benefits.

I have no idea how you can make comments on someone's entitlement to benefits without knowing their exact circumstances.

My understanding was that for a single person Income based JSA was lower than UC for a single person before the uplift and now even more for UC after the uplift so you do the math.

I don't pretend to be any kind of benefits expert having never claimed but based on what my nephew had told me i just thought in an ideal world jobseekers should be given the same, I'm not trying to judge others but i do have a right to give my opinion on the thread, Don't I ?

Again, your understanding is completely incorrect. JSA is exactly the same amount as standard element of UC. JSA under 25 is £59.20 per week, UC standard element is £257.33 per month. JSA over 25's is £74.70 per week, UC standard element over 25's is £324.84 per month.

UC is paid monthly, JSA is weekly benefit but paid fortnightly. UC standard element worked out as a weekly payment is exactly the same as JSA. These figures are before the uplift.

Everyone has the right to their opinion but in this case no because your opinion isn't correct.

See links https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Universal-Credit-Rates

Ok so my nephew is 27 years of age and JSA is £74.70 per week, UC per week would be £81.21 before the uplift if your £324.84 per month is correct, So i would assume from this that UC is the higher of the two benefits. 
Sorry for having an opinion!

poppy12345

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

Gig1968 said:

Won't be long now till the government are dragged in front of the high court on September 29 and 30 to try and defend themselves against their refusal to uplift the legacy benefits. Should be very interesting indeed. Going to be very costly if they lose. 
The chancellor's pockets will be emptied again and again especially with the gas crisis just round the corner to help him out further.

One moment for celebration for all people on benefits the sacking of that miserable faced hard nosed !!!!!! Mrs Coffey DWP minister ( who had no idea how the real people lived).

I have no sympathy for the Government in the case of JSA, My nephew is a jobseeker and gets around £70 a week and the people on UC who he knows get more even without the uplift and he has to attend the jobcentre every week while his UC friend is told not to attend because of covid safety. He applied for UC and was turned down but he was never told why.

UC is a means tested benefit that's replaced 6 legacy benefits. It's one monthly payment that consists of many different elements, such as, child element, disabled child elements,  carers element, housing element (for help with the rent) LCWRA element for those that are unable to work because of a health condition. Everyone's entitlement will be different depending on their circumstances.

You can't compare your Nephew to someone else, who's circumstances maybe completely different. If your newphew is a single person living at home with parents then he will be entitled to the standard element only, how much will depend on his age. If he has savings of more than £16,000 he will be excluded from claiming.

If he's claiming New style JSA which is a contributions based only benefit then this is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

If he lives with a partner they claim UC as a couple any entitlement will depend on their financial circumstances and earnings will affect the amount they're entitled to, if they don't have the work allowance.

Ok thankyou, Income based JSA is what he claims, Sorry i didn't mean to offend by my comments, i understand people have different circumstances. Just my own personal opinion from what i have seen!

Are you sure it's Income based JSA and not New style JSA? If he claimed for UC in the past then this would have ended entitlement to Income Based JSA and once you claim UC you can't go back to the old legacy benefits.

I have no idea how you can make comments on someone's entitlement to benefits without knowing their exact circumstances.

My understanding was that for a single person Income based JSA was lower than UC for a single person before the uplift and now even more for UC after the uplift so you do the math.

I don't pretend to be any kind of benefits expert having never claimed but based on what my nephew had told me i just thought in an ideal world jobseekers should be given the same, I'm not trying to judge others but i do have a right to give my opinion on the thread, Don't I ?

Again, your understanding is completely incorrect. JSA is exactly the same amount as standard element of UC. JSA under 25 is £59.20 per week, UC standard element is £257.33 per month. JSA over 25's is £74.70 per week, UC standard element over 25's is £324.84 per month.

UC is paid monthly, JSA is weekly benefit but paid fortnightly. UC standard element worked out as a weekly payment is exactly the same as JSA. These figures are before the uplift.

Everyone has the right to their opinion but in this case no because your opinion isn't correct.

See links https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Universal-Credit-Rates

Ok so my nephew is 27 years of age and JSA is £74.70 per week, UC per week would be £81.21 before the uplift if your £324.84 per month is correct, So i would assume from this that UC is the higher of the two benefits. 
Sorry for having an opinion!

Again, that's incorrect. As advised, UC is a monthly benefit (there's more than 4 weeks in a month) , JSA is a weekly benefit. If you do the maths correctly then you will see i'm correct

JSA £74.70 x 52 =£3,884.40/12 = £323.70

Also there will be one month in the year where there will be 3 JSA payments, instead of 2.

Frank99

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

Gig1968 said:

Won't be long now till the government are dragged in front of the high court on September 29 and 30 to try and defend themselves against their refusal to uplift the legacy benefits. Should be very interesting indeed. Going to be very costly if they lose. 
The chancellor's pockets will be emptied again and again especially with the gas crisis just round the corner to help him out further.

One moment for celebration for all people on benefits the sacking of that miserable faced hard nosed !!!!!! Mrs Coffey DWP minister ( who had no idea how the real people lived).

I have no sympathy for the Government in the case of JSA, My nephew is a jobseeker and gets around £70 a week and the people on UC who he knows get more even without the uplift and he has to attend the jobcentre every week while his UC friend is told not to attend because of covid safety. He applied for UC and was turned down but he was never told why.

UC is a means tested benefit that's replaced 6 legacy benefits. It's one monthly payment that consists of many different elements, such as, child element, disabled child elements,  carers element, housing element (for help with the rent) LCWRA element for those that are unable to work because of a health condition. Everyone's entitlement will be different depending on their circumstances.

You can't compare your Nephew to someone else, who's circumstances maybe completely different. If your newphew is a single person living at home with parents then he will be entitled to the standard element only, how much will depend on his age. If he has savings of more than £16,000 he will be excluded from claiming.

If he's claiming New style JSA which is a contributions based only benefit then this is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

If he lives with a partner they claim UC as a couple any entitlement will depend on their financial circumstances and earnings will affect the amount they're entitled to, if they don't have the work allowance.

Ok thankyou, Income based JSA is what he claims, Sorry i didn't mean to offend by my comments, i understand people have different circumstances. Just my own personal opinion from what i have seen!

Are you sure it's Income based JSA and not New style JSA? If he claimed for UC in the past then this would have ended entitlement to Income Based JSA and once you claim UC you can't go back to the old legacy benefits.

I have no idea how you can make comments on someone's entitlement to benefits without knowing their exact circumstances.

My understanding was that for a single person Income based JSA was lower than UC for a single person before the uplift and now even more for UC after the uplift so you do the math.

I don't pretend to be any kind of benefits expert having never claimed but based on what my nephew had told me i just thought in an ideal world jobseekers should be given the same, I'm not trying to judge others but i do have a right to give my opinion on the thread, Don't I ?

Again, your understanding is completely incorrect. JSA is exactly the same amount as standard element of UC. JSA under 25 is £59.20 per week, UC standard element is £257.33 per month. JSA over 25's is £74.70 per week, UC standard element over 25's is £324.84 per month.

UC is paid monthly, JSA is weekly benefit but paid fortnightly. UC standard element worked out as a weekly payment is exactly the same as JSA. These figures are before the uplift.

Everyone has the right to their opinion but in this case no because your opinion isn't correct.

See links https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Universal-Credit-Rates

Ok so my nephew is 27 years of age and JSA is £74.70 per week, UC per week would be £81.21 before the uplift if your £324.84 per month is correct, So i would assume from this that UC is the higher of the two benefits. 
Sorry for having an opinion!

Again, that's incorrect. As advised, UC is a monthly benefit (there's more than 4 weeks in a month) , JSA is a weekly benefit. If you do the maths correctly then you will see i'm correct

JSA £74.70 x 52 =£3,884.40/12 = £323.70

Also there will be one month in the year where they will be 3 JSA payments, instead of 2.

Well done, well done, I wonder if have ever made any mistakes in life, I would love to debate my wrong answers on the thread all night but i have other things to do.

poppy12345

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

poppy12345 said:

Frank99 said:

Gig1968 said:

Won't be long now till the government are dragged in front of the high court on September 29 and 30 to try and defend themselves against their refusal to uplift the legacy benefits. Should be very interesting indeed. Going to be very costly if they lose. 
The chancellor's pockets will be emptied again and again especially with the gas crisis just round the corner to help him out further.

One moment for celebration for all people on benefits the sacking of that miserable faced hard nosed !!!!!! Mrs Coffey DWP minister ( who had no idea how the real people lived).

I have no sympathy for the Government in the case of JSA, My nephew is a jobseeker and gets around £70 a week and the people on UC who he knows get more even without the uplift and he has to attend the jobcentre every week while his UC friend is told not to attend because of covid safety. He applied for UC and was turned down but he was never told why.

UC is a means tested benefit that's replaced 6 legacy benefits. It's one monthly payment that consists of many different elements, such as, child element, disabled child elements,  carers element, housing element (for help with the rent) LCWRA element for those that are unable to work because of a health condition. Everyone's entitlement will be different depending on their circumstances.

You can't compare your Nephew to someone else, who's circumstances maybe completely different. If your newphew is a single person living at home with parents then he will be entitled to the standard element only, how much will depend on his age. If he has savings of more than £16,000 he will be excluded from claiming.

If he's claiming New style JSA which is a contributions based only benefit then this is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

If he lives with a partner they claim UC as a couple any entitlement will depend on their financial circumstances and earnings will affect the amount they're entitled to, if they don't have the work allowance.

Ok thankyou, Income based JSA is what he claims, Sorry i didn't mean to offend by my comments, i understand people have different circumstances. Just my own personal opinion from what i have seen!

Are you sure it's Income based JSA and not New style JSA? If he claimed for UC in the past then this would have ended entitlement to Income Based JSA and once you claim UC you can't go back to the old legacy benefits.

I have no idea how you can make comments on someone's entitlement to benefits without knowing their exact circumstances.

My understanding was that for a single person Income based JSA was lower than UC for a single person before the uplift and now even more for UC after the uplift so you do the math.

I don't pretend to be any kind of benefits expert having never claimed but based on what my nephew had told me i just thought in an ideal world jobseekers should be given the same, I'm not trying to judge others but i do have a right to give my opinion on the thread, Don't I ?

Again, your understanding is completely incorrect. JSA is exactly the same amount as standard element of UC. JSA under 25 is £59.20 per week, UC standard element is £257.33 per month. JSA over 25's is £74.70 per week, UC standard element over 25's is £324.84 per month.

UC is paid monthly, JSA is weekly benefit but paid fortnightly. UC standard element worked out as a weekly payment is exactly the same as JSA. These figures are before the uplift.

Everyone has the right to their opinion but in this case no because your opinion isn't correct.

See links https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Universal-Credit-Rates

Ok so my nephew is 27 years of age and JSA is £74.70 per week, UC per week would be £81.21 before the uplift if your £324.84 per month is correct, So i would assume from this that UC is the higher of the two benefits. 
Sorry for having an opinion!

Again, that's incorrect. As advised, UC is a monthly benefit (there's more than 4 weeks in a month) , JSA is a weekly benefit. If you do the maths correctly then you will see i'm correct

JSA £74.70 x 52 =£3,884.40/12 = £323.70

Also there will be one month in the year where they will be 3 JSA payments, instead of 2.

Well done, well done, I wonder if have ever made any mistakes in life, I would love to debate my wrong answers on the thread all night but i have other things to do.

You were stating your opinion as fact when it was wrong, which needed to be corrected. Anyway, i've done the maths so i'm out.

Gig1968

I think the legacy benefits high court case against the government starts in the morning all bets are on.

poppy12345

The court case for the legacy benefits has been delayed. https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/4428-legacy-benefits-case-delayed-due-to-lack-of-a-judge

Gig1968

Thanks for that I was unaware of that. Just sums up the government I'm afraid. How can you not have a judge for such an important case. Its a government pulling the strings in the high court. I really am shocked that this can be allowed to happen. Its a total cover up. Whether you agree with the subject of the case or not, any case that might have an impact against the government can surely not be postponed due to mysterious non availability of judges. We are then lbasically living a government controlled country and have no say at all. Surely this cannot be allowed to happen.

tomtom256

We do live in a government controlled country, we just elect those in control.