FTTP on the Openreach Network - which ISP to use?

Abcdee

brewerdave said:

Abcdee said:

As I already have an ONT in my home (fitted by Openreach and tested by them to be working fine) I was told by a salesman at BT I would "go live" as soon as the super hub 2 arrives. But I have since tracked my order and BT say they are sending an engineer out to me, lol, complete nightmare.

My daughter and s-i-l have just moved into a brand new house; ONT was already fitted. But when they connected up router no internet ! Openreach had not actually run fibre to it from outside and had to send an engineer to pull fibre thru'.

I was at home when the Openreach team came and connected the fibre wire from the pole to my home.
They also tested the ONT was working before leaving.

Money_Grabber13579

Out of interest, is the policy now that everyone who is connecting to a new supplier should be on FTTP rather than FTTC? When I moved from EE super fast to sky super fast, they insisted on installing a fibre cable and ont in my house, even though I was remaining on an equivalent 76meg max package.

Abcdee

Money_Grabber13579 said:

Out of interest, is the policy now that everyone who is connecting to a new supplier should be on FTTP rather than FTTC? When I moved from EE super fast to sky super fast, they insisted on installing a fibre cable and ont in my house, even though I was remaining on an equivalent 76meg max package.

I don't know the answer to that sorry but I have been told that fttp will eventually be everywhere and all phones will be digital and copper wire phones and internet are not being repaired but replaced by fttp.

onomatopoeia99

Abcdee said:

Money_Grabber13579 said:

Out of interest, is the policy now that everyone who is connecting to a new supplier should be on FTTP rather than FTTC? When I moved from EE super fast to sky super fast, they insisted on installing a fibre cable and ont in my house, even though I was remaining on an equivalent 76meg max package.

I don't know the answer to that sorry but I have been told that fttp will eventually be everywhere and all phones will be digital and copper wire phones and internet are not being repaired but replaced by fttp.

That's wrong, plenty of places can't get FTTP at all and if a copper line breaks it will be replaced with copper.

All voice telephony will be going digital but that doesn't coincide with FTTP.

matelodave

As said above, if FTTP is providedthen you'll possibly get shifted to FTTP but in most cases if theres an adequate FTTC connection then you'll probably stay on copper for the final bit between you and the cabinet

It's the PSTN that's being discontinued and transferred to a digital service which can be provided over either optical fibre or copper. You dont need high speeds for a basic telephony service.

We have been on a dual FTTP/copper connection for the past three years - FTTP for broadband and copper for the phone but BT transferred the phone to their Digital Voice service on 30th June and shut of the copper service (although interestingl,y we've still got a dial tone on the copper connection but no service - ie we can't make calls)

brewerdave

matelodave said:

We have been on a dual FTTP/copper connection for the past three years - FTTP for broadband and copper for the phone but BT transferred the phone to their Digital Voice service on 30th June and shut of the copper service (although interestingl,y we've still got a dial tone on the copper connection but no service - ie we can't make calls)

As a matter of interest, did the switch off reduce your prices ? Really should do ,as the old copper network "line rental" portion is no longer relevant - but I bet it didn't !

southsidergs

brewerdave said:

matelodave said:

We have been on a dual FTTP/copper connection for the past three years - FTTP for broadband and copper for the phone but BT transferred the phone to their Digital Voice service on 30th June and shut of the copper service (although interestingl,y we've still got a dial tone on the copper connection but no service - ie we can't make calls)

As a matter of interest, did the switch off reduce your prices ? Really should do ,as the old copper network "line rental" portion is no longer relevant - but I bet it didn't !

The line rental is still relevant, people seem to think that broadband gets delivered via thin air or something. Fact is line rental covers rental of the line be that copper or fibre as the line is used to deliver the broadband

matelodave

Why would they cancel the line rental - there is a requirement to get either fibre or copper into my house to give me service, much the same with anything else that provided direct to my house via a utility company (water, gas, leccy). Whether I use it or not ,the option is there unless I get it physically removed

I've still got a telephone and broadband service, just not on copper. There's still all the kit in the exchange, underground and even on the wall in my house that has to be maintained and repaired.

As it happens the new BT Digital Voice service has several free additional features which either weren't previously available or were extra cost items with the PSTN service.

Call it what you will - line rental, standing charge etc it really doesn't matter as it's a charge for all the infrastructure between you and the rest of the network. Even with Virgin there will be an element of standing charge/line rental to provide your service whether it's rolled up or a separate line item.

AFAIK the "line rental" was a bit of a carry over from when BT provided the phone & line and various ISP's could offer broadband but now the cost is just rolled up.

brewerdave

southsidergs said:

brewerdave said:

matelodave said:

We have been on a dual FTTP/copper connection for the past three years - FTTP for broadband and copper for the phone but BT transferred the phone to their Digital Voice service on 30th June and shut of the copper service (although interestingl,y we've still got a dial tone on the copper connection but no service - ie we can't make calls)

As a matter of interest, did the switch off reduce your prices ? Really should do ,as the old copper network "line rental" portion is no longer relevant - but I bet it didn't !

The line rental is still relevant, people seem to think that broadband gets delivered via thin air or something. Fact is line rental covers rental of the line be that copper or fibre as the line is used to deliver the broadband

Wasn't suggesting that all the old line rental disappeared - just that a reduction would be in order . Putting it another way , @matelodave, did you pay MORE for having both FTTP and the phone via copper than a customer who had purely FTTP ?

matelodave

No I didn't - I would have paid the same whether the phone was delivered by copper or fibre. At the time my system was installed (over three years ago BT weren't offering VoIP and there were only a couple of speciallised suppiers (like Zen, A&A etc) who were offering FTTP broadband with the option of VoIP at extra cost so theres wasn't anything significant in the pricing.

It's only since SKY, TT and some of the bigger players got on the scene, around the third quarter last year that there's been much choice. Dunno if SKY or TT charge extra for VoIP