I made big mistake buying my house

HampshireH

Scotbot said:

RelievedSheff said:

Slips36 said:

MIN2_2 said:

As others have said really important to take positive steps and don't let the selfish behaviour of antisocial neighbours become all-consuming. First, keep up the pressure on all those causing this problem: the landlord by complaining to the council that he is in breach of his HMO licence, complain to your local councillor if you feel the council aren't doing enough, point out to the Slovak tenants that they if they only have pre-settled status they are liable to deportation if they get a criminal record. In the longer term, take positive action to make your house presentable and begin preparing steps for your next move. That way you'll have something to look forward to.

You are right that law and order is upside down in this country compared to some other countries (this antisocial behaviour would never be tolerated in places like Germany or Switzerland). Sad to see some people on this thread trying to excuse the selfish, thoughtless, and disrespectful behaviour of the tenants - unfortunately, in a high HMO area there are rarely enough owner-occupiers to enforce respectful social norms against behaviour like blaring noise around the neighbourhood at any time of the day or night. There ought to be more pressure on politicians to devise tougher legislation and penalties against anti-social neighbours as such people really make so many people's lives a misery.

Thanks for your kind words, yours is one of the best post on this anti social behaviour. One or two posters here have blamed me for objecting the anti social behaviour of the neighbours. I have reported the noise nuisance to the council through the noise app but council reluctant to act. This country has gone soft on criminals and hard on law abiding people.

You do realise that by reporting the noise to the council that you now have to inform any potential purchasers of your property that you have made a formal noise complaint against your neighbours?

So not only will you be up against having moved very quickly after purchasing you will also have a noise complaint to explain away. You could well have made it very difficult to sell your property on if you want to go down that route.

Normally I would agree with you. In this instance from reading the OPs threads it is clear this house is in a high density area with lots of HMOs and students. I think many buyers would anticipate it being noisy, it doesn't sound like a family friendly area. The OP is best being honest and say that it is a lively area and he wants somewhere where quiter. If he sells it will probably be bought by another landlord.

Possibly but makes you wonder if £305k is cheap for the area why a landlord didn't buy it a few months ago when instead the OP was successful.

The last one I can find on Rightmove sold in July 2020 was a 4 bed (loft conversion) fully refurbished for £265k. (Might be looking at the wrong Grange Avenue as seems to have had very little movement)

OP is going to at least want to make their money back for their onward sale, given how much they will spend again on fees and conveyancing.

Regardless of having to declare and its impact I junk in this case it is necessary for the OP to do so as they do still have to live there and if it is deemed a statutory nuisance then the council will eventually intervene. But they will need a lot of evidence before doing so.

While its hopeful OP could easily sell, it's also possible he could be on the market a while

Sunsaru

The_Real_Cheddar_Bob said:

wilfred30 said:

Slips36 said:

Hi,

i bought my house 2 months back and I have regretted it since. I bought on 5th March and my cat was traumatised so much we had to put her down on 8th March. On 20th March my next door neighbours who are tenants played very loud bass amplified music till 1:30am, we ignored it hoping it was one off party.
On 26th March more loud music from 11.00 to 12:00 pm. 
On 1st April again loud music from 11.00 to 12:00 pm, then 4 to 6:30 pm my wife told them to keep the volume down. Then 9:00pm to 10:00 pm my wife went told them to keep it down.
Last Saturday they again had loud music and another lady confronted them and bottle was thrown in her direction and police were called and statement were taken but no action.
The landlord has 9 houses and lives in a nice detached house few miles away from here. I haven’t contacted him yet has I doubt he will do anything.
Similar episodes for weeks now, I have informed the environmental dept of Reading council through noise app but not much help.
My wife and daughter are so upset we bought this place. What are our options? 
Any advise grateful accepted.

You lost any sympathy from me right there 

I've only just started reading this thread, but yes, I'm with you. OP you had your cat put to sleep because of your neighbours? you shouldn't be allowed any animal again. EVER

You need to read a bit more in that case.
The cat always got stressed when moving which, when combined with a long standing medical issue meant that this move was one move too much for the poor thing. The cat is of no relevance to the OP's issue (the cat was put down before the first incident) and really didn't need to be added to the story but as the OP is so stressed out they probably added for effect.

Greymug

Getting_greyer said:

Slinky said:

MIN2_2 said:

What would happen in those countries? Have not been to either for years, and didn`t do anything particularly anti-social while there.

The Germans have excellent regulations against antisocial noise from neighbours - most of the regional governments have laws for Ruhezeit (quiet time), usually on Sundays and after 10pm. Forget thumping amplified bass noise - restrictions includes noisy garden equipment or DIY at antisocial hours. Unlike here, the police properly enforce the rules and social norms are such that it is totally unacceptable for most people to be inconsiderate or disrespectful to those living around you. As a tenant, breaking these laws will often get you evicted. I remember a group of very noisy Roma neighbours who moved here from Germany and were amazed at how many people in England will tolerate almost any disturbance.

Many of the cantons in Switzerland have even more strict bylaws, and the municipal police forces are usually good at enforcing these. Ultimately, it is all about respecting other people and being considerate of other people living around you.

This reminds me of when my Dad was doing some work at a factory in Holland in the 1980s where one of the people he was working with wanted to get away early as he had to get home to Germany to cut the grass as it would be frowned on if he did it the following day, Good Friday.

When I was posted to Germany, I'm pretty sure the families weren't allowed to wash their car or put there washing on the line on a Sunday so yeah I can absolutely see this.

Seriously?

Ah, and I thought nazi germany had ended in 1945

Adsta

When I lived in Belgium for a few years they had some similar odd rules. It was illegal to hang washing on balcony's, so you basically had to have a tumble dryer or indoor drying rack if you lived in an apartment. 

They also had no loud noises (like washing machine) or anything after 10pm. They were pretty good at enforcing it too, police would respond to it if called out. I did it once when a neighbour above me decided to have a massive loud house party midweek, it went on until midnight so I called police and they came within 30mins to break it up. 

getmore4less

3 mile radius of uni post code.

Sold price in the last year
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/rg6-6ah.html?soldIn=1&radius=3.0&page=1

on the market
Forsale/SSTC upto £300k 3bed or more (34/141)

Crashy_Time

HampshireH said:

Scotbot said:

RelievedSheff said:

Slips36 said:

MIN2_2 said:

As others have said really important to take positive steps and don't let the selfish behaviour of antisocial neighbours become all-consuming. First, keep up the pressure on all those causing this problem: the landlord by complaining to the council that he is in breach of his HMO licence, complain to your local councillor if you feel the council aren't doing enough, point out to the Slovak tenants that they if they only have pre-settled status they are liable to deportation if they get a criminal record. In the longer term, take positive action to make your house presentable and begin preparing steps for your next move. That way you'll have something to look forward to.

You are right that law and order is upside down in this country compared to some other countries (this antisocial behaviour would never be tolerated in places like Germany or Switzerland). Sad to see some people on this thread trying to excuse the selfish, thoughtless, and disrespectful behaviour of the tenants - unfortunately, in a high HMO area there are rarely enough owner-occupiers to enforce respectful social norms against behaviour like blaring noise around the neighbourhood at any time of the day or night. There ought to be more pressure on politicians to devise tougher legislation and penalties against anti-social neighbours as such people really make so many people's lives a misery.

Thanks for your kind words, yours is one of the best post on this anti social behaviour. One or two posters here have blamed me for objecting the anti social behaviour of the neighbours. I have reported the noise nuisance to the council through the noise app but council reluctant to act. This country has gone soft on criminals and hard on law abiding people.

You do realise that by reporting the noise to the council that you now have to inform any potential purchasers of your property that you have made a formal noise complaint against your neighbours?

So not only will you be up against having moved very quickly after purchasing you will also have a noise complaint to explain away. You could well have made it very difficult to sell your property on if you want to go down that route.

Normally I would agree with you. In this instance from reading the OPs threads it is clear this house is in a high density area with lots of HMOs and students. I think many buyers would anticipate it being noisy, it doesn't sound like a family friendly area. The OP is best being honest and say that it is a lively area and he wants somewhere where quiter. If he sells it will probably be bought by another landlord.

Possibly but makes you wonder if £305k is cheap for the area why a landlord didn't buy it a few months ago when instead the OP was successful.

The last one I can find on Rightmove sold in July 2020 was a 4 bed (loft conversion) fully refurbished for £265k. (Might be looking at the wrong Grange Avenue as seems to have had very little movement)

OP is going to at least want to make their money back for their onward sale, given how much they will spend again on fees and conveyancing.

Regardless of having to declare and its impact I junk in this case it is necessary for the OP to do so as they do still have to live there and if it is deemed a statutory nuisance then the council will eventually intervene. But they will need a lot of evidence before doing so.

While its hopeful OP could easily sell, it's also possible he could be on the market a while

Possibly because 305k isn`t cheap, or that BTL would be the last thing people would want to get into after recent events?

Slips36

Crashy_Time said:

HampshireH said:

Scotbot said:

RelievedSheff said:

Slips36 said:

MIN2_2 said:

As others have said really important to take positive steps and don't let the selfish behaviour of antisocial neighbours become all-consuming. First, keep up the pressure on all those causing this problem: the landlord by complaining to the council that he is in breach of his HMO licence, complain to your local councillor if you feel the council aren't doing enough, point out to the Slovak tenants that they if they only have pre-settled status they are liable to deportation if they get a criminal record. In the longer term, take positive action to make your house presentable and begin preparing steps for your next move. That way you'll have something to look forward to.

You are right that law and order is upside down in this country compared to some other countries (this antisocial behaviour would never be tolerated in places like Germany or Switzerland). Sad to see some people on this thread trying to excuse the selfish, thoughtless, and disrespectful behaviour of the tenants - unfortunately, in a high HMO area there are rarely enough owner-occupiers to enforce respectful social norms against behaviour like blaring noise around the neighbourhood at any time of the day or night. There ought to be more pressure on politicians to devise tougher legislation and penalties against anti-social neighbours as such people really make so many people's lives a misery.

Thanks for your kind words, yours is one of the best post on this anti social behaviour. One or two posters here have blamed me for objecting the anti social behaviour of the neighbours. I have reported the noise nuisance to the council through the noise app but council reluctant to act. This country has gone soft on criminals and hard on law abiding people.

You do realise that by reporting the noise to the council that you now have to inform any potential purchasers of your property that you have made a formal noise complaint against your neighbours?

So not only will you be up against having moved very quickly after purchasing you will also have a noise complaint to explain away. You could well have made it very difficult to sell your property on if you want to go down that route.

Normally I would agree with you. In this instance from reading the OPs threads it is clear this house is in a high density area with lots of HMOs and students. I think many buyers would anticipate it being noisy, it doesn't sound like a family friendly area. The OP is best being honest and say that it is a lively area and he wants somewhere where quiter. If he sells it will probably be bought by another landlord.

Possibly but makes you wonder if £305k is cheap for the area why a landlord didn't buy it a few months ago when instead the OP was successful.

The last one I can find on Rightmove sold in July 2020 was a 4 bed (loft conversion) fully refurbished for £265k. (Might be looking at the wrong Grange Avenue as seems to have had very little movement)

OP is going to at least want to make their money back for their onward sale, given how much they will spend again on fees and conveyancing.

Regardless of having to declare and its impact I junk in this case it is necessary for the OP to do so as they do still have to live there and if it is deemed a statutory nuisance then the council will eventually intervene. But they will need a lot of evidence before doing so.

While its hopeful OP could easily sell, it's also possible he could be on the market a while

Possibly because 305k isn`t cheap, or that BTL would be the last thing people would want to get into after recent events?

The last one sold on July 2020 for £265k needed modernisation and was bought by developer who put rear dormer and refurbished to high standard and was sold few months ago for£370k.  Fairly impressive returns.
I bought mine with rear dormer and in good condition with garage at the back for £305k
but with stamp duty holiday soon to end anyone’s guess what the price will be?
I was thinking of let to buy but wife not too keen as she always been risk averse.

Crashy_Time

Slips36 said:

Crashy_Time said:

HampshireH said:

Scotbot said:

RelievedSheff said:

Slips36 said:

MIN2_2 said:

As others have said really important to take positive steps and don't let the selfish behaviour of antisocial neighbours become all-consuming. First, keep up the pressure on all those causing this problem: the landlord by complaining to the council that he is in breach of his HMO licence, complain to your local councillor if you feel the council aren't doing enough, point out to the Slovak tenants that they if they only have pre-settled status they are liable to deportation if they get a criminal record. In the longer term, take positive action to make your house presentable and begin preparing steps for your next move. That way you'll have something to look forward to.

You are right that law and order is upside down in this country compared to some other countries (this antisocial behaviour would never be tolerated in places like Germany or Switzerland). Sad to see some people on this thread trying to excuse the selfish, thoughtless, and disrespectful behaviour of the tenants - unfortunately, in a high HMO area there are rarely enough owner-occupiers to enforce respectful social norms against behaviour like blaring noise around the neighbourhood at any time of the day or night. There ought to be more pressure on politicians to devise tougher legislation and penalties against anti-social neighbours as such people really make so many people's lives a misery.

Thanks for your kind words, yours is one of the best post on this anti social behaviour. One or two posters here have blamed me for objecting the anti social behaviour of the neighbours. I have reported the noise nuisance to the council through the noise app but council reluctant to act. This country has gone soft on criminals and hard on law abiding people.

You do realise that by reporting the noise to the council that you now have to inform any potential purchasers of your property that you have made a formal noise complaint against your neighbours?

So not only will you be up against having moved very quickly after purchasing you will also have a noise complaint to explain away. You could well have made it very difficult to sell your property on if you want to go down that route.

Normally I would agree with you. In this instance from reading the OPs threads it is clear this house is in a high density area with lots of HMOs and students. I think many buyers would anticipate it being noisy, it doesn't sound like a family friendly area. The OP is best being honest and say that it is a lively area and he wants somewhere where quiter. If he sells it will probably be bought by another landlord.

Possibly but makes you wonder if £305k is cheap for the area why a landlord didn't buy it a few months ago when instead the OP was successful.

The last one I can find on Rightmove sold in July 2020 was a 4 bed (loft conversion) fully refurbished for £265k. (Might be looking at the wrong Grange Avenue as seems to have had very little movement)

OP is going to at least want to make their money back for their onward sale, given how much they will spend again on fees and conveyancing.

Regardless of having to declare and its impact I junk in this case it is necessary for the OP to do so as they do still have to live there and if it is deemed a statutory nuisance then the council will eventually intervene. But they will need a lot of evidence before doing so.

While its hopeful OP could easily sell, it's also possible he could be on the market a while

Possibly because 305k isn`t cheap, or that BTL would be the last thing people would want to get into after recent events?

The last one sold on July 2020 for £265k needed modernisation and was bought by developer who put rear dormer and refurbished to high standard and was sold few months ago for£370k.  Fairly impressive returns.
I bought mine with rear dormer and in good condition with garage at the back for £305k
but with stamp duty holiday soon to end anyone’s guess what the price will be?
I was thinking of let to buy but wife not too keen as she always been risk averse.

So there should be no problem popping your house on the market and getting out of there, if the area is that sought after?

Slips36

Crashy_Time said:

Slips36 said:

Crashy_Time said:

HampshireH said:

Scotbot said:

RelievedSheff said:

Slips36 said:

MIN2_2 said:

As others have said really important to take positive steps and don't let the selfish behaviour of antisocial neighbours become all-consuming. First, keep up the pressure on all those causing this problem: the landlord by complaining to the council that he is in breach of his HMO licence, complain to your local councillor if you feel the council aren't doing enough, point out to the Slovak tenants that they if they only have pre-settled status they are liable to deportation if they get a criminal record. In the longer term, take positive action to make your house presentable and begin preparing steps for your next move. That way you'll have something to look forward to.

You are right that law and order is upside down in this country compared to some other countries (this antisocial behaviour would never be tolerated in places like Germany or Switzerland). Sad to see some people on this thread trying to excuse the selfish, thoughtless, and disrespectful behaviour of the tenants - unfortunately, in a high HMO area there are rarely enough owner-occupiers to enforce respectful social norms against behaviour like blaring noise around the neighbourhood at any time of the day or night. There ought to be more pressure on politicians to devise tougher legislation and penalties against anti-social neighbours as such people really make so many people's lives a misery.

Thanks for your kind words, yours is one of the best post on this anti social behaviour. One or two posters here have blamed me for objecting the anti social behaviour of the neighbours. I have reported the noise nuisance to the council through the noise app but council reluctant to act. This country has gone soft on criminals and hard on law abiding people.

You do realise that by reporting the noise to the council that you now have to inform any potential purchasers of your property that you have made a formal noise complaint against your neighbours?

So not only will you be up against having moved very quickly after purchasing you will also have a noise complaint to explain away. You could well have made it very difficult to sell your property on if you want to go down that route.

Normally I would agree with you. In this instance from reading the OPs threads it is clear this house is in a high density area with lots of HMOs and students. I think many buyers would anticipate it being noisy, it doesn't sound like a family friendly area. The OP is best being honest and say that it is a lively area and he wants somewhere where quiter. If he sells it will probably be bought by another landlord.

Possibly but makes you wonder if £305k is cheap for the area why a landlord didn't buy it a few months ago when instead the OP was successful.

The last one I can find on Rightmove sold in July 2020 was a 4 bed (loft conversion) fully refurbished for £265k. (Might be looking at the wrong Grange Avenue as seems to have had very little movement)

OP is going to at least want to make their money back for their onward sale, given how much they will spend again on fees and conveyancing.

Regardless of having to declare and its impact I junk in this case it is necessary for the OP to do so as they do still have to live there and if it is deemed a statutory nuisance then the council will eventually intervene. But they will need a lot of evidence before doing so.

While its hopeful OP could easily sell, it's also possible he could be on the market a while

Possibly because 305k isn`t cheap, or that BTL would be the last thing people would want to get into after recent events?

The last one sold on July 2020 for £265k needed modernisation and was bought by developer who put rear dormer and refurbished to high standard and was sold few months ago for£370k.  Fairly impressive returns.
I bought mine with rear dormer and in good condition with garage at the back for £305k
but with stamp duty holiday soon to end anyone’s guess what the price will be?
I was thinking of let to buy but wife not too keen as she always been risk averse.

So there should be no problem popping your house on the market and getting out of there, if the area is that sought after?

Who knows what it will fetch?
On the plus side the noisy neighbours have been remarkably quiet last few weeks. Hmm I wonder how long it will last?

MIN2_2

On the plus side the noisy neighbours have been remarkably quiet last few weeks. Hmm I wonder how long it will last?

OP - I'm puzzled why you now tell us that your neighbours have been remarkably quiet over the 'last few weeks' when in your opening post on this thread on the 3rd May you said:

Last Saturday they again had loud music and another lady confronted them and bottle was thrown in her direction and police were called and statement were taken but no action.

One of these statements cannot be correct. I know how awful anti-social behaviour can be but hope you've not been misleading us.