Vaccination queue jumping.

MattMattMattUK

JamoLew said:

I think the whole vaccination program shows exactly what can be achieved when we arent constrained by mounds of official red tape and political/national shenanigans

In that respect Brexit has been a huge success

EU countries were not forced to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program, we could have done our own thing even if we were still in the EU.

Whether Brexit is a success or not will largely have to be decided in ten or twenty years time, but in the short term the economic effects are negative, how negative is difficult to see as they will be inseparable from the mess caused by Covid. 

The_Green_Hornet

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

I think the whole vaccination program shows exactly what can be achieved when we arent constrained by mounds of official red tape and political/national shenanigans

In that respect Brexit has been a huge success

EU countries were not forced to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program, we could have done our own thing even if we were still in the EU.

Whether Brexit is a success or not will largely have to be decided in ten or twenty years time, but in the short term the economic effects are negative, how negative is difficult to see as they will be inseparable from the mess caused by Covid. 

People who are at the extremes of the remain/leave argument have already made their minds up on whether Brexit is a success or not, in fact they made minds up a long long time ago.

MattMattMattUK

The_Green_Hornet said:

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

I think the whole vaccination program shows exactly what can be achieved when we arent constrained by mounds of official red tape and political/national shenanigans

In that respect Brexit has been a huge success

EU countries were not forced to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program, we could have done our own thing even if we were still in the EU.

Whether Brexit is a success or not will largely have to be decided in ten or twenty years time, but in the short term the economic effects are negative, how negative is difficult to see as they will be inseparable from the mess caused by Covid. 

People who are at the extremes of the remain/leave argument have already made their minds up on whether Brexit is a success or not, in fact they made minds up a long long time ago.

Personally I think Brexit will be a negative, however I am looking at it from an economic and future prospects point of view, other people have different criteria. I think only history will be able to judge accurately, when in decades time the emotion has died down and people are able to be somewhat more objective (and the hardcore people have died of old age).

Jeremy535897

I suspect history will show that there will be a short to medium term economic disadvantage, and some irritations like import duties and customs/passport fuss, but if it means we avoid being forced into the euro a few years down the line, it will be worthwhile.

MattMattMattUK

Jeremy535897 said:

I suspect history will show that there will be a short to medium term economic disadvantage, and some irritations like import duties and customs/passport fuss, but if it means we avoid being forced into the euro a few years down the line, it will be worthwhile.

We have a permeant opt-out for joining the Euro...

JamoLew

MattMattMattUK said:

Jeremy535897 said:

I suspect history will show that there will be a short to medium term economic disadvantage, and some irritations like import duties and customs/passport fuss, but if it means we avoid being forced into the euro a few years down the line, it will be worthwhile.

We have a permeant opt-out for joining the Euro...

Which I think is partially why some aspects of the EU never really worked as well as they should have for the UK.
(granted, there were some advantages as well) but---
We were never fully in

Jeremy535897

MattMattMattUK said:

Jeremy535897 said:

I suspect history will show that there will be a short to medium term economic disadvantage, and some irritations like import duties and customs/passport fuss, but if it means we avoid being forced into the euro a few years down the line, it will be worthwhile.

We have a permeant opt-out for joining the Euro...

Nothing is permanent.

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parcival said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

I don't know how hard it was to get a job in the EU pre-Brexit.

Personally, I wasn't looking for a job.

Maybe you just don't have the required skills to make you a catch in EU countries - either pre or post-Brexit.

Believe me, I'd much rather those people who don't want to live here, go away and live somewhere else.

Then we wouldn't be locked in with people who refer to us as "you lot".

Who are these people that you refer to as "you lot"?

I had a job in the EU before. It was easy to get, easy to move, I have the skills.

The problem is now that moving means visas for me and my family, probably not even worth trying to take pets... It is hard to get a job when you can't even say for sure if you can accept, or when you can come. They know that if there is a problem you will probably quit. Meanwhile there are candidates from the EU without these problems.

You lot are the brexit ultras, the ones still in denial about what you have done, still thinking it might work out despite all the evidence to the contrary. Or maybe this is what you wanted, which is even worse.

Off you go then - don't want you to be unhappy in this country.

You haven't been reading the thread, have you?

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JamoLew said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

I don't know how hard it was to get a job in the EU pre-Brexit.

Personally, I wasn't looking for a job.

Maybe you just don't have the required skills to make you a catch in EU countries - either pre or post-Brexit.

Believe me, I'd much rather those people who don't want to live here, go away and live somewhere else.

Then we wouldn't be locked in with people who refer to us as "you lot".

Who are these people that you refer to as "you lot"?

I had a job in the EU before. It was easy to get, easy to move, I have the skills.

The problem is now that moving means visas for me and my family, probably not even worth trying to take pets... It is hard to get a job when you can't even say for sure if you can accept, or when you can come. They know that if there is a problem you will probably quit. Meanwhile there are candidates from the EU without these problems.

You lot are the brexit ultras, the ones still in denial about what you have done, still thinking it might work out despite all the evidence to the contrary. Or maybe this is what you wanted, which is even worse.

I think the whole vaccination program shows exactly what can be achieved when we arent constrained by mounds of official red tape and political/national shenanigans

In that respect Brexit has been a huge success

It's made no difference at all to the vaccine. EU countries were always free to do their own thing, in addition to the EU scheme.

Thrugelmir

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

I think the whole vaccination program shows exactly what can be achieved when we arent constrained by mounds of official red tape and political/national shenanigans

In that respect Brexit has been a huge success

EU countries were not forced to take part in the EU vaccine procurement program, we could have done our own thing even if we were still in the EU.

The EU achieved better pricing and contractual terms for their member states. That was a political decision made in Brussels.  Germany made it's own side arrangements that it didn't tell anybody else about until after the event. Of course this didn't go down very well. We are all in this together only runs so deep before nationalism and self interest kicks in. That's human nature. 

The UK was fortunate to find a talented individual who pulled out all the stops and worked for free.