Vaccination queue jumping.

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Thrugelmir said:

[DELETED USER] said:

parcival said:

I thought we were a country that didn't like cheaters or people that manipulate the system to give themselves an advantage at the expense of others.....

This country is awful, full of curtain twitchers and "upright" citizens just itching to report their neighbors bad behaviour.

Leave then. If you don't feel part of the community.  It's a big world out there. People are simply fed up with those who out themselves first. Those that spend their time complaining about others. Are normal the biggest whiners of all when it comes to something that impacts themselves personally. 

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Yahoo_Mail

jimi_man said:

Bobo_Brazil said:

gettingtheresometime said:

As I understand it, the vaccine doesn't stop you catching Covid, it lessens the effects of the virus. So if you're in one of the vulnerable categories, you'd be prioritised regardless of profession. And even if you had been vaccinated surely you'd have to self isolate if you caught the virus? Or am I (genuinely) missing something?

I haven't seen anyone claim anything to the contrary, the Pfizer CEO, Bourla, in interviews has been extremely careful not to claim that the jab either stops you catching it, or prevents onward transmission. In fact he clearly said it was 'not tested,'  to see whether the jab prevented onward transmission of the virus at all. In their US briefing document the most Pfizer said about it was that it was an "investigational vaccine" (p8) and said it "must be introduced before the peak of reported cases to have a significant impact on the pandemic course." (p 74) 
https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download

WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan said in Dec 2020 - 'no evidence' that any of the vaccines would reduce transmission. This all lines up with Van Tam's statements shortly after Christmas and early this year, basically he didn't even mention this year at all, he not so subtly implied this year at least will probably be a repeat of 2020.. writing in the Telegraph he said those having the vaccine will be required to maintain masks & social distancing measures for a long & unspecified amount of time though it's true to say the vaccine 'gives us hope' he says.. Prof. Witty plain as day at the Downing St briefing a couple of weeks ago, clearly indicated there would be restrictions through winter.  Also tallies up with school children being slowly nudged towards online only friends, in some cases being told that the future of friends is not to have offline friends in the real world, but in the future they will celebrate digital moments with digital friends, celebrating digital birthdays & a digital Christmas..

And yet the study released this morning about the Oxford vaccine renders pretty much all of the above broadly incorrect. (Not the first time the WHO have been wrong to be fair). 

And as for children being told not to have ‘offline friends’ in the future but to have ‘digital moments’ with ‘digital friends’????? Please don’t think I’m being rude but you’ve been watching far too much sci fi. 

The WHO wasn't wrong.  People are just confused as to what "no evidence" actually means.  All it means is that at the time they didn't have any evidence to confirm x/y/z, but most people assume "no evidence" means "we've tested this and found it doesn't do x/y/z."  The media doesn't help here as they seem to be very happy for this misconception to continue to be made (in order to sell more fear and more newspapers/ads)

Pollycat

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

jimi_man

Yahoo_Mail said:

jimi_man said:

Bobo_Brazil said:

gettingtheresometime said:

As I understand it, the vaccine doesn't stop you catching Covid, it lessens the effects of the virus. So if you're in one of the vulnerable categories, you'd be prioritised regardless of profession. And even if you had been vaccinated surely you'd have to self isolate if you caught the virus? Or am I (genuinely) missing something?

I haven't seen anyone claim anything to the contrary, the Pfizer CEO, Bourla, in interviews has been extremely careful not to claim that the jab either stops you catching it, or prevents onward transmission. In fact he clearly said it was 'not tested,'  to see whether the jab prevented onward transmission of the virus at all. In their US briefing document the most Pfizer said about it was that it was an "investigational vaccine" (p8) and said it "must be introduced before the peak of reported cases to have a significant impact on the pandemic course." (p 74) 
https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download

WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan said in Dec 2020 - 'no evidence' that any of the vaccines would reduce transmission. This all lines up with Van Tam's statements shortly after Christmas and early this year, basically he didn't even mention this year at all, he not so subtly implied this year at least will probably be a repeat of 2020.. writing in the Telegraph he said those having the vaccine will be required to maintain masks & social distancing measures for a long & unspecified amount of time though it's true to say the vaccine 'gives us hope' he says.. Prof. Witty plain as day at the Downing St briefing a couple of weeks ago, clearly indicated there would be restrictions through winter.  Also tallies up with school children being slowly nudged towards online only friends, in some cases being told that the future of friends is not to have offline friends in the real world, but in the future they will celebrate digital moments with digital friends, celebrating digital birthdays & a digital Christmas..

And yet the study released this morning about the Oxford vaccine renders pretty much all of the above broadly incorrect. (Not the first time the WHO have been wrong to be fair). 

And as for children being told not to have ‘offline friends’ in the future but to have ‘digital moments’ with ‘digital friends’????? Please don’t think I’m being rude but you’ve been watching far too much sci fi. 

The WHO wasn't wrong.  People are just confused as to what "no evidence" actually means.  All it means is that at the time they didn't have any evidence to confirm x/y/z, but most people assume "no evidence" means "we've tested this and found it doesn't do x/y/z."  The media doesn't help here as they seem to be very happy for this misconception to continue to be made (in order to sell more fear and more newspapers/ads)

Sure but they do have a habit of issuing these ‘definitive’ statements which subsequently get disproved as more information becomes available. 

And yes I agree about the media. 

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Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

Pollycat

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

I don't know how hard it was to get a job in the EU pre-Brexit.

Personally, I wasn't looking for a job.

Maybe you just don't have the required skills to make you a catch in EU countries - either pre or post-Brexit.

Believe me, I'd much rather those people who don't want to live here, go away and live somewhere else.

Then we wouldn't be locked in with people who refer to us as "you lot".

Who are these people that you refer to as "you lot"?

[Deleted User]

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

I don't know how hard it was to get a job in the EU pre-Brexit.

Personally, I wasn't looking for a job.

Maybe you just don't have the required skills to make you a catch in EU countries - either pre or post-Brexit.

Believe me, I'd much rather those people who don't want to live here, go away and live somewhere else.

Then we wouldn't be locked in with people who refer to us as "you lot".

Who are these people that you refer to as "you lot"?

I had a job in the EU before. It was easy to get, easy to move, I have the skills.

The problem is now that moving means visas for me and my family, probably not even worth trying to take pets... It is hard to get a job when you can't even say for sure if you can accept, or when you can come. They know that if there is a problem you will probably quit. Meanwhile there are candidates from the EU without these problems.

You lot are the brexit ultras, the ones still in denial about what you have done, still thinking it might work out despite all the evidence to the contrary. Or maybe this is what you wanted, which is even worse.

Pollycat

[DELETED USER] said:

I had a job in the EU before. It was easy to get, easy to move, I have the skills.

The problem is now that moving means visas for me and my family, probably not even worth trying to take pets... It is hard to get a job when you can't even say for sure if you can accept, or when you can come. They know that if there is a problem you will probably quit. Meanwhile there are candidates from the EU without these problems.

You lot are the brexit ultras, the ones still in denial about what you have done, still thinking it might work out despite all the evidence to the contrary. Or maybe this is what you wanted, which is even worse.

Oh, that's all right then.

I'm not part of the 'you lot' you refer to.

I voted to remain and still shake my head at all those people who voted to leave and are still finding unintended consequences of their actions.

One could wonder why you didn't keep the job you had in the EU.

But as this is a thread about covid vaccinations, maybe chat about Brexit is too far off-topic.

parcival

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

I don't know how hard it was to get a job in the EU pre-Brexit.

Personally, I wasn't looking for a job.

Maybe you just don't have the required skills to make you a catch in EU countries - either pre or post-Brexit.

Believe me, I'd much rather those people who don't want to live here, go away and live somewhere else.

Then we wouldn't be locked in with people who refer to us as "you lot".

Who are these people that you refer to as "you lot"?

I had a job in the EU before. It was easy to get, easy to move, I have the skills.

The problem is now that moving means visas for me and my family, probably not even worth trying to take pets... It is hard to get a job when you can't even say for sure if you can accept, or when you can come. They know that if there is a problem you will probably quit. Meanwhile there are candidates from the EU without these problems.

You lot are the brexit ultras, the ones still in denial about what you have done, still thinking it might work out despite all the evidence to the contrary. Or maybe this is what you wanted, which is even worse.

Off you go then - don't want you to be unhappy in this country.

JamoLew

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Pollycat said:

[DELETED USER] said:

I'm trying, but it's much harder now thanks to brexit.

Didn't we have a little bit of notice that it was going to happen?

And regardless of how many things our government got wrong over the last year - and how many curtain twitchers there are - you will probably get your vaccination earlier than you would have in any other country you are trying to move to (and vaccination is the subject of the thread).

You think it only just became hard to get a job in the EU? They have been turning down British candidates for a long time due to uncertainty and potential visa problems. Plus for most of 2020 travel was not possible.

Now we are locked in with you lot!

I don't know how hard it was to get a job in the EU pre-Brexit.

Personally, I wasn't looking for a job.

Maybe you just don't have the required skills to make you a catch in EU countries - either pre or post-Brexit.

Believe me, I'd much rather those people who don't want to live here, go away and live somewhere else.

Then we wouldn't be locked in with people who refer to us as "you lot".

Who are these people that you refer to as "you lot"?

I had a job in the EU before. It was easy to get, easy to move, I have the skills.

The problem is now that moving means visas for me and my family, probably not even worth trying to take pets... It is hard to get a job when you can't even say for sure if you can accept, or when you can come. They know that if there is a problem you will probably quit. Meanwhile there are candidates from the EU without these problems.

You lot are the brexit ultras, the ones still in denial about what you have done, still thinking it might work out despite all the evidence to the contrary. Or maybe this is what you wanted, which is even worse.

I think the whole vaccination program shows exactly what can be achieved when we arent constrained by mounds of official red tape and political/national shenanigans

In that respect Brexit has been a huge success