what's the 1st thing you're going to do, with the end in sight?

Thrugelmir

HarryGray said:

Deleted_User said:

Tammykitty said:

Regardless of when the lockdown ends, as soon has my mum and Dad have the vaccine (and waited the 3 weeks or whatever for maximum benefit), I will be going home, to spend a night or 2 with them, give them a hug and eat a meal together, and stay up late playing cards, board games, watching a film or whatever. They will have spent almost a year with no visitors, i am not making them wait any longer - its cruel to expect people to have been shielding to stay in lockdown after getting the vaccines, when they finally feel safe to go out or see their children and grandchilren

It is still unknown whether having the vaccine will stop you spreading the virus. So you could have the vaccine and still risk passing it on even though you yourself are protected. That is why the government want people who have been vaccinated to still comply with the restrictions, to protect those who haven't had the vaccine yet. 

So when does it all end then? The UK cannot continue destroying people's lives over this 

Please explain. 

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Sea_Shell said:

Deleted_User said:

Tammykitty said:

Regardless of when the lockdown ends, as soon has my mum and Dad have the vaccine (and waited the 3 weeks or whatever for maximum benefit), I will be going home, to spend a night or 2 with them, give them a hug and eat a meal together, and stay up late playing cards, board games, watching a film or whatever. They will have spent almost a year with no visitors, i am not making them wait any longer - its cruel to expect people to have been shielding to stay in lockdown after getting the vaccines, when they finally feel safe to go out or see their children and grandchilren

It is still unknown whether having the vaccine will stop you spreading the virus. So you could have the vaccine and still risk passing it on even though you yourself are protected. That is why the government want people who have been vaccinated to still comply with the restrictions, to protect those who haven't had the vaccine yet. 

Up to what point??

Until at least 70% of the population have been vaccinated?

No idea. All I'm saying is when you are vaccinated you still run the risk of passing the virus on, so saying its cruel to keep people who have been vaccinated under lockdown rules is not really cruel, its keeping other people who have not been lucky enough to be offered the vaccine yet safe. 

Seems a lot of people who have been given or expecting to have the vaccine imminently are taking the very selfish attitude of "i'm alright now, so screw everyone else" 

Barny1979

I was aiming to go to Australia for the Ashes in December, but already ruled this out. Not booking anything, theoretically I am watching a match at Wembley in June for the Euros and doing the Great North Run in September, but not holding my breath.

clive0510

Barny1979 said:

I was aiming to go to Australia for the Ashes in December, but already ruled this out. Not booking anything, theoretically I am watching a match at Wembley in June for the Euros and doing the Great North Run in September, but not holding my breath.

yeh looks like you may be doing the same as me. nothing day after day.

Baxter100

I'm kind of amazed that anyone who has been following this for the last 12 months thinks that we will be going back to 'normal' at any point soon (or ever).

I think the likelihood is that social distancing, masks etc will be required in many settings and professions now permanently. Remote working and home schooling will be the future. Yearly vaccinations will be required to enter shops, go to pubs, travel abroad. I can't really see mass crowd events like concerts, festivals, sporting events, marathons etc ever really coming back.

None of this makes me happy at all but in my mind it's certainly the way it's all heading.

jimi_man

I can see us going back to normal. No
idea when though. But within a year. We won’t keep going with masks, they are too much of a hindrance to human communication. Humans are social
animals and we need to socialise. 

I think that as a race, we will get bored with the restrictions, more the longer it goes on. And eventually, with the assistance of vaccines, we will treat it like the flu. We accept a certain loss of life every winter. Some years it will be more, some years it will be less, depending on which strain/mutation is prevalent and how effective the vaccine is. 

It’s highly likely that come June/July time, infections will have dropped to near zero like last year, especially with the assistance of the vaccine, since that’s the way they work. My worry is that the government won’t open things up enough and continue to strive for zero Covid - pretty much an impossibility. 

In 1918, 50 million people died and the didn’t change their habits for ever. Nor through any of the other pandemics since. 

Iamdebtfree

Baxter100 said:

I'm kind of amazed that anyone who has been following this for the last 12 months thinks that we will be going back to 'normal' at any point soon (or ever).

I think the likelihood is that social distancing, masks etc will be required in many settings and professions now permanently. Remote working and home schooling will be the future. Yearly vaccinations will be required to enter shops, go to pubs, travel abroad. I can't really see mass crowd events like concerts, festivals, sporting events, marathons etc ever really coming back.

None of this makes me happy at all but in my mind it's certainly the way it's all heading.

You've read my mind dude. 

Tokmon

Baxter100 said:

I'm kind of amazed that anyone who has been following this for the last 12 months thinks that we will be going back to 'normal' at any point soon (or ever).

I think the likelihood is that social distancing, masks etc will be required in many settings and professions now permanently. Remote working and home schooling will be the future. Yearly vaccinations will be required to enter shops, go to pubs, travel abroad. I can't really see mass crowd events like concerts, festivals, sporting events, marathons etc ever really coming back.

None of this makes me happy at all but in my mind it's certainly the way it's all heading.

That's a very bleak view of the future. Just look at New Zealand they have managed Covid Cases to a very low level and social distancing isn't required and masks are only required on some public transport in some areas; only a week ago they had a massive concert with everyone packed in to together!.

So considering there is always demand from most people for things like concerts and to not wear masks it will eventually go back to normal because people will not be happy to continue how we are.

Spendless

I'd like to see my son who's at Uni. He came home for a few days over Christmas, but returned to his student digs long before Boris told them not to. He's in private student accommodation, we wouldn't get a refund from a private landlord even if the Unis were to be  told they had to part refund on their halls of residence.
I'd just like to go see him and do all the 'parent' things, you do when you visit a student child, treat him to a pub meal out, take him grocery shopping at your expense because you're not convinced 2 pot noodles constitutes a 'full cupboard'

Thrugelmir

Tokmon said:

Baxter100 said:

I'm kind of amazed that anyone who has been following this for the last 12 months thinks that we will be going back to 'normal' at any point soon (or ever).

I think the likelihood is that social distancing, masks etc will be required in many settings and professions now permanently. Remote working and home schooling will be the future. Yearly vaccinations will be required to enter shops, go to pubs, travel abroad. I can't really see mass crowd events like concerts, festivals, sporting events, marathons etc ever really coming back.

None of this makes me happy at all but in my mind it's certainly the way it's all heading.

That's a very bleak view of the future. Just look at New Zealand they have managed Covid Cases to a very low level and social distancing isn't required and masks are only required on some public transport in some areas; only a week ago they had a massive concert with everyone packed in to together!.

This isn't New Zealand though. The population is less than 5 million. More people than that live in Scotland alone. Despite closed borders. There were still 9 cases reported today. Covid isn't just going to disappear. Lift the guard it's going to come roaring back. 

That Wedding in London in one of the already worst affected boroughs. Is bound to trigger a further surge in the locality. Unfortunately it may cause even greater social issues due to the sect involved.