Why are coffee shops for takeaways open this lockdown?

ruthber

If the sight of people having a coffee offends so many we have gone too far in scaring the population. 

Grumpy_chap

Ice cream in the snow in Scotland is essential

This time there is much more open that the first lockdown:

• Partly because the rules allow more, e.g. places of worship
• Partly because some places that closed in first lockdown realise they can be open under the rules, e.g. coffee shops
• Partly because shops are open as there is no enforcement of the rules, e.g. two mobile phone shops in my local High Street.

Mickey666

Grumpy_chap said:

Ice cream in the snow in Scotland is essential

Deep fried?

Abbafan1972

I don't agree with coffee shops being open either, but it's what the government have decided.  There's nothing to say you have to use them. 

CKhalvashi

od244051 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

There are lots of places that are far from essential that are still open. Schools are supposed to be for the children of "critical workers" and the vulnerable only, but depending on the area 30-60% of children are attending. People are supposed to be wearing masks, but a good 20%+ of people claim some made up exemption that means that they do not have to wear one, when there should be no exemptions. Exemptions for collective worship. Around 20% of those wearing masks are unable to wear them properly, tucking them under their nose. Food shopping is supposed to be a solitary activity, yet whole families (with two adults) are often seen in supermarkets. There is supposed to be no household mixing apart from support and childcare bubbles, but many households are still mixing regularly, both inside and outside. 

A takeaway coffee shop can operate just as safely as a takeaway food shop, if the latter is allowed to operate then so should the former, or they should both be closed. Also before we look increasing restrictions we need to tackle the failure to comply with the current restrictions. I would estimate around 20-30% of people are failing to comply with the existing restrictions, so imposing further restrictions on the 70-80% of those already in compliance does not make sense, deal with those who fail to follow the current rules first. 

Don’t start me with whole households and friends shopping together. Understand single/widowed parents have no alternative or some disabled people can’t shop alone. This week have security have started to work at entrance to my work. People think they have “rights” to shop with their mates. What rights? You aren’t allowed to see them unless outside and exercising with one of them. Retail environment are not for socialising! If you have issues shopping alone, don’t go out shopping then!

Annoys me when the under 30s who refuse to wear masks say that they are exempt. Guessing 90-95% of these idiots aren’t exempt at all. Again, stay at home.

How do you know there isn't an exemption?

I am shopping with my mother at the moment, she likes to pick her own shopping (and eats completely differently) and had major surgery in October, so is struggling to push a trolley around a supermarket.

As she is in a single person household, she is allowed to have a bubble, and for this purpose I am effectively a carer, despite her working full-time (for the NHS, as a specialist practitioner) again now she can drive again.

We do both wear masks and remain as far away from each other as physically possible, but I'm simply trying to point out to you that things may not be as they seem.

Re coffee shops, not socialising, but I am walking daily (alone), and happily buy a coffee to drink on a walk (it's cold out, not sure if you noticed) and to support a local business. This will have longer term health benefits, as although working from home it's not healthy to be trapped indoors for 24 hours a day.

Mickey666

CKhalvashi said:

 I'm simply trying to point out to you that things may not be as they seem.

Indeed, and people's prejudices fill in the rest . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU

od244051

CKhalvashi said:

od244051 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

There are lots of places that are far from essential that are still open. Schools are supposed to be for the children of "critical workers" and the vulnerable only, but depending on the area 30-60% of children are attending. People are supposed to be wearing masks, but a good 20%+ of people claim some made up exemption that means that they do not have to wear one, when there should be no exemptions. Exemptions for collective worship. Around 20% of those wearing masks are unable to wear them properly, tucking them under their nose. Food shopping is supposed to be a solitary activity, yet whole families (with two adults) are often seen in supermarkets. There is supposed to be no household mixing apart from support and childcare bubbles, but many households are still mixing regularly, both inside and outside. 

A takeaway coffee shop can operate just as safely as a takeaway food shop, if the latter is allowed to operate then so should the former, or they should both be closed. Also before we look increasing restrictions we need to tackle the failure to comply with the current restrictions. I would estimate around 20-30% of people are failing to comply with the existing restrictions, so imposing further restrictions on the 70-80% of those already in compliance does not make sense, deal with those who fail to follow the current rules first. 

Don’t start me with whole households and friends shopping together. Understand single/widowed parents have no alternative or some disabled people can’t shop alone. This week have security have started to work at entrance to my work. People think they have “rights” to shop with their mates. What rights? You aren’t allowed to see them unless outside and exercising with one of them. Retail environment are not for socialising! If you have issues shopping alone, don’t go out shopping then!

Annoys me when the under 30s who refuse to wear masks say that they are exempt. Guessing 90-95% of these idiots aren’t exempt at all. Again, stay at home.

How do you know there isn't an exemption?

I am shopping with my mother at the moment, she likes to pick her own shopping (and eats completely differently) and had major surgery in October, so is struggling to push a trolley around a supermarket.

As she is in a single person household, she is allowed to have a bubble, and for this purpose I am effectively a carer, despite her working full-time (for the NHS, as a specialist practitioner) again now she can drive again.

We do both wear masks and remain as far away from each other as physically possible, but I'm simply trying to point out to you that things may not be as they seem.

Re coffee shops, not socialising, but I am walking daily (alone), and happily buy a coffee to drink on a walk (it's cold out, not sure if you noticed) and to support a local business. This will have longer term health benefits, as although working from home it's not healthy to be trapped indoors for 24 hours a day.

You didn't read my post properly. I did mention disabled, which also includes frail cannot shop alone.

It's those families that think they can take partner and four kids shopping is frowned upon.

Morrigan_2020

CKhalvashi said:

od244051 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

There are lots of places that are far from essential that are still open. Schools are supposed to be for the children of "critical workers" and the vulnerable only, but depending on the area 30-60% of children are attending. People are supposed to be wearing masks, but a good 20%+ of people claim some made up exemption that means that they do not have to wear one, when there should be no exemptions. Exemptions for collective worship. Around 20% of those wearing masks are unable to wear them properly, tucking them under their nose. Food shopping is supposed to be a solitary activity, yet whole families (with two adults) are often seen in supermarkets. There is supposed to be no household mixing apart from support and childcare bubbles, but many households are still mixing regularly, both inside and outside. 

A takeaway coffee shop can operate just as safely as a takeaway food shop, if the latter is allowed to operate then so should the former, or they should both be closed. Also before we look increasing restrictions we need to tackle the failure to comply with the current restrictions. I would estimate around 20-30% of people are failing to comply with the existing restrictions, so imposing further restrictions on the 70-80% of those already in compliance does not make sense, deal with those who fail to follow the current rules first. 

Don’t start me with whole households and friends shopping together. Understand single/widowed parents have no alternative or some disabled people can’t shop alone. This week have security have started to work at entrance to my work. People think they have “rights” to shop with their mates. What rights? You aren’t allowed to see them unless outside and exercising with one of them. Retail environment are not for socialising! If you have issues shopping alone, don’t go out shopping then!

Annoys me when the under 30s who refuse to wear masks say that they are exempt. Guessing 90-95% of these idiots aren’t exempt at all. Again, stay at home.

How do you know there isn't an exemption?

I am shopping with my mother at the moment, she likes to pick her own shopping (and eats completely differently) and had major surgery in October, so is struggling to push a trolley around a supermarket.

As she is in a single person household, she is allowed to have a bubble, and for this purpose I am effectively a carer, despite her working full-time (for the NHS, as a specialist practitioner) again now she can drive again.

We do both wear masks and remain as far away from each other as physically possible, but I'm simply trying to point out to you that things may not be as they seem.

Re coffee shops, not socialising, but I am walking daily (alone), and happily buy a coffee to drink on a walk (it's cold out, not sure if you noticed) and to support a local business. This will have longer term health benefits, as although working from home it's not healthy to be trapped indoors for 24 hours a day.

Really you should try to encourage your mother to let you shop for her.  Preferences aren't really a valid reason to be shopping in pairs at the moment, it should only be done if its completely unavoidable.

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"Dramatic language could be used in hard-hitting new anti-coronavirus adverts, warning that going for a coffee could kill. A national campaign is to be unveiled within days as the UK government eyes tougher restrictions amid a surge in infections.

One of the slogans being considered is “Don’t let a coffee cost a life”, it is believed. Another message in the campaign is “Covid takes the train too”.

The move is aimed at presenting a stark message to the public to try to ensure compliance with tough lockdown measures as the UK battles more highly transmissible variants of the virus."

- The Guardian

adamL

od244051 said:

I drive past a coffee shop which part of a chain on the way to work. Always a queue outside as inside probably limited to 2-3 customers. Coffee shops aren’t essential IMO. As it defeats the object of staying in your home when possible. Around the shop, there is a small supermarket, chemist and a couple of banks. The other retail units are either closed as non essential (card shop, barbers etc) or empty.

Why are coffee shops open? Everyone I discussed this says the same

Coffee shops are open as they sell food and drinks, and us essential workers really do appreciate food during our working day. Not everyone can sit at home!