Electric car costs and additional costs

DrEskimo

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

I would be really worried if a 2 year old car didn't sail through the next 2 MOT's.

What happens at 8 years if the batteries cause too much range anxiety? How much do they cost to replace? Does the car get scrapped?

Yes I can. I still pay tax....

Why would I suddenly have range anxiety after 8yrs? It's lost 2% in 4yrs, so even if it for some reason accelerated and lost double that in the next two years (and all data suggests the complete opposite happens, that degradation is fastest in the first years, and then levels off), I would be at 94%....why on earth would I worry about replacing them at 94%?

That equates to an average loss of about 9miles of range, given that I average 150miles all year round.

How much does it cost to replace the batteries?

Range anxiety is a problem with ev. I can get in my £200 focus and drive anywhere in England without stopping. You can't do that in a £40k+ ev car

I don't know. You wouldn't necessarily need to replace the battery either. If it's just a faulty cell you could repair it by replacing a single module.

I know people can have range anxiety with an EV. You said, "What happens at 8 years if the batteries cause too much range anxiety?". Why would my situation change at 8-years? I haven't had any range anxiety for the last 2-years I have been driving, what will change at 8-years?

dipsomaniac

The title of this thread is ev costs yet can't see any mention of battery replacement costs

in_my_wellies

The best 'value' EV onsale right now is probably a used iPace. Like all JLR products they have been hit by heavy depreciation, you can pick up a very lightly used one for under £40k now - starting prices were £60kish. I doubt their value will drop much below £35k for a few years as thats getting close to the price point of new Hyundai/Nissan EV, and the Jaguar badge still holds some premium.

MG are also releasing a new EV Coupe soon, I doubt it'll be priced like a Tesla, so you can wait for that. 

I know nothing about the cost but just wanted to add that my son drove a Jaguar iPace and has now bought a used Tesla 3
As a passenger I found the iPace acceleration very uncomfortable and experienced travel sickness for the first time in my life on a journey of only 5 miles. This happened to me every time for the year he drove it.  I don't find this happens in the Tesla, it's just like being in a normal car.

As a driver they're both OK but too big for me, sticking with my trusty Honda Jazz for now

dipsomaniac

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

I would be really worried if a 2 year old car didn't sail through the next 2 MOT's.

What happens at 8 years if the batteries cause too much range anxiety? How much do they cost to replace? Does the car get scrapped?

Yes I can. I still pay tax....

Why would I suddenly have range anxiety after 8yrs? It's lost 2% in 4yrs, so even if it for some reason accelerated and lost double that in the next two years (and all data suggests the complete opposite happens, that degradation is fastest in the first years, and then levels off), I would be at 94%....why on earth would I worry about replacing them at 94%?

That equates to an average loss of about 9miles of range, given that I average 150miles all year round.

How much does it cost to replace the batteries?

Range anxiety is a problem with ev. I can get in my £200 focus and drive anywhere in England without stopping. You can't do that in a £40k+ ev car

I don't know. 

that would have been my very first question before buying a ev car.

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AdrianC said:

wongataa said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

As VED is nothing to do with roads that is a silly comment.  VED just goes in the same pot as all other tax revenue. Roads are paid for out of everyone's taxes so anyone who pays any taxes can easily complain about the state of roads.

The vast majority of roads are paid for out of local authority funds.

Only the trunk network is funded centrally.

Which is exactly what he said.
Roads are paid for out of everyone's taxes
VED, PAYE, council tax, VAT etc etc - whether government funded or council funded, it's paid out of everyone's taxes 
If you wanted to be picky, it's paid out of private sector taxes, as public sector is funded by private sector, so any tax "paid" by a public sector worker is just money recycled back into the public sector - the argument of paying public sector workers less and not taxing them notwithstanding!

Mickey666

The cost of new batteries is an interesting question but perhaps it doesn't really matter?  If they really are still at round 95% capacity after 8 years what are they likely to be after 16 years?  I guess the drop-off isn't linear but what if they are still at around 50-60%?  That's still pretty useful for a 16 years old car, whereas a 16 year old ICE car would be almost worthless, say £500.  How many ICE car owners worry about the cost of replacing an engine after 16 years?

Having said all that, I'm not rushing out to buy an EV because my car should have another 8-10 years in it yet, by which time I'm anticipating the EV market to have changed radically.  EV prices will likely have fallen (or more choice for lower cost models anyway) used EVs should be far more available and battery life should be far better understood.  I'm happy to let the early adopters kick start the new market

DrEskimo

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

I would be really worried if a 2 year old car didn't sail through the next 2 MOT's.

What happens at 8 years if the batteries cause too much range anxiety? How much do they cost to replace? Does the car get scrapped?

Yes I can. I still pay tax....

Why would I suddenly have range anxiety after 8yrs? It's lost 2% in 4yrs, so even if it for some reason accelerated and lost double that in the next two years (and all data suggests the complete opposite happens, that degradation is fastest in the first years, and then levels off), I would be at 94%....why on earth would I worry about replacing them at 94%?

That equates to an average loss of about 9miles of range, given that I average 150miles all year round.

How much does it cost to replace the batteries?

Range anxiety is a problem with ev. I can get in my £200 focus and drive anywhere in England without stopping. You can't do that in a £40k+ ev car

I don't know. 

that would have been my very first question before buying a ev car.

How much does an engine replacement cost?

Herzlos

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

I would be really worried if a 2 year old car didn't sail through the next 2 MOT's.

What happens at 8 years if the batteries cause too much range anxiety? How much do they cost to replace? Does the car get scrapped?

Yes I can. I still pay tax....

Why would I suddenly have range anxiety after 8yrs? It's lost 2% in 4yrs, so even if it for some reason accelerated and lost double that in the next two years (and all data suggests the complete opposite happens, that degradation is fastest in the first years, and then levels off), I would be at 94%....why on earth would I worry about replacing them at 94%?

That equates to an average loss of about 9miles of range, given that I average 150miles all year round.

How much does it cost to replace the batteries?

Range anxiety is a problem with ev. I can get in my £200 focus and drive anywhere in England without stopping. You can't do that in a £40k+ ev car

I don't know. 

that would have been my very first question before buying a ev car.

Why? Do you check the cost of a new engine when buying a combustion car?
Engines are much worse - there are so many things that could go wrong and destroy an engine leaving you at the side of the road in smoke. An EV battery will gradually deteriorate but at least give you enough notice to go and get it repaired or replaced. I'm sure there are some catastrophic power train failures but they don't seem common.
When the range of an EV battery drops to the point no-one wants it in a car (maybe 50 miles), then it can be recycled or used as a static storage unit. Batteries have lasted much better than everyone expected, so that's not likely to happen until they are nearly scrap anyway.

dipsomaniac

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

DrEskimo said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

I would be really worried if a 2 year old car didn't sail through the next 2 MOT's.

What happens at 8 years if the batteries cause too much range anxiety? How much do they cost to replace? Does the car get scrapped?

Yes I can. I still pay tax....

Why would I suddenly have range anxiety after 8yrs? It's lost 2% in 4yrs, so even if it for some reason accelerated and lost double that in the next two years (and all data suggests the complete opposite happens, that degradation is fastest in the first years, and then levels off), I would be at 94%....why on earth would I worry about replacing them at 94%?

That equates to an average loss of about 9miles of range, given that I average 150miles all year round.

How much does it cost to replace the batteries?

Range anxiety is a problem with ev. I can get in my £200 focus and drive anywhere in England without stopping. You can't do that in a £40k+ ev car

I don't know. 

that would have been my very first question before buying a ev car.

How much does an engine replacement cost?

Obviously depends on what engine you are replacing. In 30 years of driving I have never had to replace one.

dipsomaniac

Deleted_User said:

AdrianC said:

wongataa said:

dipsomaniac said:

5000 miles and you pay £0 VED at the moment?  At least you can't complain about the state of the roads.

As VED is nothing to do with roads that is a silly comment.  VED just goes in the same pot as all other tax revenue. Roads are paid for out of everyone's taxes so anyone who pays any taxes can easily complain about the state of roads.

The vast majority of roads are paid for out of local authority funds.

Only the trunk network is funded centrally.

Which is exactly what he said.
Roads are paid for out of everyone's taxes
VED, PAYE, council tax, VAT etc etc - whether government funded or council funded, it's paid out of everyone's taxes 
If you wanted to be picky, it's paid out of private sector taxes, as public sector is funded by private sector, so any tax "paid" by a public sector worker is just money recycled back into the public sector - the argument of paying public sector workers less and not taxing them notwithstanding!

Road tax, road fund licence, VED. Regardless of what name or pot it goes into it raises more than the cost of road repairs so most people (rightly or wrongly) associate it with road maintenance. 

The overspill into the general tax pot is just to justify the excess tax imo