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    edited 16 January at 6:37PM
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Sea_Shell said:
    I read in The Grocer, that sales of personal care products are down £380 million so ewwww

    Personal care products are largely unnecessary and often terrible for the environment, hopefully people are realising they can be clean and hygienic without needing tons of single use plastic!

    Personally I'm just trying to save my sanity at this moment in time....the planet will have to wait it's turn!!!
    Another thing that worries me greatly about this situation, all this plastic PPE, all these disposable masks, yes air pollution and emissions are down which is great, but climate change isn’t going to pause and wait for us while we deal with COVID, we are currently living through TWO huge crises.
    So wear a washable mask like I do and keep two feet firmly on the ground. My own view is that if enough hysteria can be generated, the majority will  become favourably inclined towards solutions potentially worse than the problems . Some of the  lunacy relating to Covid is a great demonstration of this, hence my signature. A trashed economy will not make us healthier.
    I work in a healthcare, we can't wear the re-usable masks at work.  I do wear a cloth one outside of work. 
    The economy isn't my biggest concern, its a construct anyway, human will can solve the problems arising from damage to the economy, not so the climate. 
    If you use PPE as part of health related work, then of course you should use the pro version, just as I should if I'm spraying on the farm, demolishing a wall or dealing with asbestos. Professionals do not usually litter the street with discarded equipment.

    Whether they are littering the street or going in to landfill, they aren't disappearing for millennia.  Its not appearances that are the issue! 

    So you'd rather we didn't use them....or what? I don't understand.
    I'm sure the hospital ones could at least be incinerated, if not on site, then at some place where the heat generated is used.

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    " We've got to live with misfortune and risk because the alternative is worse." Lord Sumption.
  • edited 16 January at 7:10PM
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    edited 16 January at 7:10PM
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Sea_Shell said:
    I read in The Grocer, that sales of personal care products are down £380 million so ewwww

    Personal care products are largely unnecessary and often terrible for the environment, hopefully people are realising they can be clean and hygienic without needing tons of single use plastic!

    Personally I'm just trying to save my sanity at this moment in time....the planet will have to wait it's turn!!!
    Another thing that worries me greatly about this situation, all this plastic PPE, all these disposable masks, yes air pollution and emissions are down which is great, but climate change isn’t going to pause and wait for us while we deal with COVID, we are currently living through TWO huge crises.
    So wear a washable mask like I do and keep two feet firmly on the ground. My own view is that if enough hysteria can be generated, the majority will  become favourably inclined towards solutions potentially worse than the problems . Some of the  lunacy relating to Covid is a great demonstration of this, hence my signature. A trashed economy will not make us healthier.
    I work in a healthcare, we can't wear the re-usable masks at work.  I do wear a cloth one outside of work. 
    The economy isn't my biggest concern, its a construct anyway, human will can solve the problems arising from damage to the economy, not so the climate. 
    If you use PPE as part of health related work, then of course you should use the pro version, just as I should if I'm spraying on the farm, demolishing a wall or dealing with asbestos. Professionals do not usually litter the street with discarded equipment.

    Whether they are littering the street or going in to landfill, they aren't disappearing for millennia.  Its not appearances that are the issue! 

    So you'd rather we didn't use them....or what? I don't understand.
    I'm sure the hospital ones could at least be incinerated, if not on site, then at some place where the heat generated is used.

    I'm concerned about the environmental impact of the pandemic.  I don't have all the answers sadly. 

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    Unless we all follow the routine #isolate - hands - face - space - vaccinate#  there won't be enough people around to worry about the environment!  
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    thorsoak said:
    Unless we all follow the routine #isolate - hands - face - space - vaccinate#  there won't be enough people around to worry about the environment!  
    Well the thing is the environment would be a lot better off without any people around.  Its not the survival of the planet that's at stake, its whether it will be in a state where we can continue to live comfortably on it! 
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    Interestingly all out rubbish locally goes for incineration, which powers 30,000 homes. 

    The ash is then treated to extract the metals then the leftover ash goes as material used in the roads. 
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    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Sea_Shell said:
    I read in The Grocer, that sales of personal care products are down £380 million so ewwww

    Personal care products are largely unnecessary and often terrible for the environment, hopefully people are realising they can be clean and hygienic without needing tons of single use plastic!

    Personally I'm just trying to save my sanity at this moment in time....the planet will have to wait it's turn!!!
    Another thing that worries me greatly about this situation, all this plastic PPE, all these disposable masks, yes air pollution and emissions are down which is great, but climate change isn’t going to pause and wait for us while we deal with COVID, we are currently living through TWO huge crises.
    So wear a washable mask like I do and keep two feet firmly on the ground. My own view is that if enough hysteria can be generated, the majority will  become favourably inclined towards solutions potentially worse than the problems . Some of the  lunacy relating to Covid is a great demonstration of this, hence my signature. A trashed economy will not make us healthier.
    I work in a healthcare, we can't wear the re-usable masks at work.  I do wear a cloth one outside of work. 
    The economy isn't my biggest concern, its a construct anyway, human will can solve the problems arising from damage to the economy, not so the climate. 
    If you use PPE as part of health related work, then of course you should use the pro version, just as I should if I'm spraying on the farm, demolishing a wall or dealing with asbestos. Professionals do not usually litter the street with discarded equipment.

    Whether they are littering the street or going in to landfill, they aren't disappearing for millennia.  Its not appearances that are the issue! 

    So you'd rather we didn't use them....or what? I don't understand.
    I'm sure the hospital ones could at least be incinerated, if not on site, then at some place where the heat generated is used.

    I'm concerned about the environmental impact of the pandemic.  I don't have all the answers sadly. 

    The virus and measures taken in attempts to contain it have shown up the interconnectedness of human activity. For example people contributing to this thread have not been doing certain things, such as going on foreign holidays, so there's been an immediate financial and social impact in the countries dependent on jet planes moving large numbers of humans to far-off places.
    With people staying nearer home, the jet fuel hasn't been turned into CO2 in such quantities and demand for oil has fallen, so oil prices have dropped. This has meant the kerosene used to heat my house has changed from being expensive at 45-60p per litre to  a very affordable 30p pl, removing any incentive for me to switch to more environmentally friendly alternatives.
    People not going to the office has meant a surge in the sale/production of cheap garments, like track suits, but we know some of those use oil as a raw material and conditions for workers in the overseas rag trade are often far from ideal, so there are pluses and minuses there too....and so it goes on; both positive and negative impacts in every change one studies. 
    Witnessing innumerable intractable issues, and potentially the loss of their jobs, or being afflicted by the virus itself, ordinary people have become more fearful and depressed, often cut off from friends and family, their normal social lives curtailed and their children's education disrupted. Whatever else it's been, this past year has seemed like a mass psychological operation , with the government alternately playing good cop, bad cop: e.g. you can have Christmas as usual / err, no you can't etc.
    And how many hospital appointments have been cancelled? 5 point something million, which represents a lot of dead or infirm people, now and in the future. Were they ever factored into a cost/benefit analysis before all the lockdowns? There are actuaries who could do that, but instead the government chose to listen to Professor Neil Ferguson, who's never been right about anything important in his field. We won't talk about where his funding comes from. I thought after he was caught breaking his own rules he'd gone, but like Gary Glitter, he's back. Oops, showing my age there!
    What I'm saying is that one either has to believe our leaders are bumbling idiots or suspect that something deeper is going on, designed to unsettle us and make the population as a whole more compliant. Knowing there are powerful influencers out there - not the sort that discuss fashion trends - who believe they do have all the answers, it's very interesting. Their solution is simple; socialism....well, for you and me anyway. It's the most efficient way to get all these awkward millions into line, consuming much less and thus saving the planet.
    Who knows, they could even be right, but I'm not optimistic our best interests are going to be served!

    Sorry, you thought this thread was about how often you shower etc. Well, maybe it is, but instead of choosing freely, you may soon be allocated electricity units to spend as you wish. It'll be the new normal and you'll love it because the pandas will be safe.
    Patron to The Warning
    " We've got to live with misfortune and risk because the alternative is worse." Lord Sumption.
  • edited 17 January at 7:38AM
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    edited 17 January at 7:38AM
    KxMx said:
    Interestingly all out rubbish locally goes for incineration, which powers 30,000 homes. 
    The ash is then treated to extract the metals then the leftover ash goes as material used in the roads. 
    As far back as 1970, I visited Westbury Cement Works in Wiltshire, where much the same thing happened in the giant furnace.
    But if we go back even further, my first real job was at Tesco, where I was in charge of recycling all the cardboard packing, making bales of the stuff in a big pressing machine after school and Saturdays. Child labour! :D

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    KxMx said:
    Interestingly all out rubbish locally goes for incineration, which powers 30,000 homes. 

    The ash is then treated to extract the metals then the leftover ash goes as material used in the roads. 
    What about the particles released into the air as a result though?  There is no perfect way to deal with non-biodegradable waste sadly. 
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    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Sea_Shell said:
    I read in The Grocer, that sales of personal care products are down £380 million so ewwww

    Personal care products are largely unnecessary and often terrible for the environment, hopefully people are realising they can be clean and hygienic without needing tons of single use plastic!

    Personally I'm just trying to save my sanity at this moment in time....the planet will have to wait it's turn!!!
    Another thing that worries me greatly about this situation, all this plastic PPE, all these disposable masks, yes air pollution and emissions are down which is great, but climate change isn’t going to pause and wait for us while we deal with COVID, we are currently living through TWO huge crises.
    So wear a washable mask like I do and keep two feet firmly on the ground. My own view is that if enough hysteria can be generated, the majority will  become favourably inclined towards solutions potentially worse than the problems . Some of the  lunacy relating to Covid is a great demonstration of this, hence my signature. A trashed economy will not make us healthier.
    I work in a healthcare, we can't wear the re-usable masks at work.  I do wear a cloth one outside of work. 
    The economy isn't my biggest concern, its a construct anyway, human will can solve the problems arising from damage to the economy, not so the climate. 
    If you use PPE as part of health related work, then of course you should use the pro version, just as I should if I'm spraying on the farm, demolishing a wall or dealing with asbestos. Professionals do not usually litter the street with discarded equipment.

    Whether they are littering the street or going in to landfill, they aren't disappearing for millennia.  Its not appearances that are the issue! 

    So you'd rather we didn't use them....or what? I don't understand.
    I'm sure the hospital ones could at least be incinerated, if not on site, then at some place where the heat generated is used.

    I'm concerned about the environmental impact of the pandemic.  I don't have all the answers sadly. 

    The virus and measures taken in attempts to contain it have shown up the interconnectedness of human activity. For example people contributing to this thread have not been doing certain things, such as going on foreign holidays, so there's been an immediate financial and social impact in the countries dependent on jet planes moving large numbers of humans to far-off places.
    With people staying nearer home, the jet fuel hasn't been turned into CO2 in such quantities and demand for oil has fallen, so oil prices have dropped. This has meant the kerosene used to heat my house has changed from being expensive at 45-60p per litre to  a very affordable 30p pl, removing any incentive for me to switch to more environmentally friendly alternatives.
    People not going to the office has meant a surge in the sale/production of cheap garments, like track suits, but we know some of those use oil as a raw material and conditions for workers in the overseas rag trade are often far from ideal, so there are pluses and minuses there too....and so it goes on; both positive and negative impacts in every change one studies. 
    Witnessing innumerable intractable issues, and potentially the loss of their jobs, or being afflicted by the virus itself, ordinary people have become more fearful and depressed, often cut off from friends and family, their normal social lives curtailed and their children's education disrupted. Whatever else it's been, this past year has seemed like a mass psychological operation , with the government alternately playing good cop, bad cop: e.g. you can have Christmas as usual / err, no you can't etc.
    And how many hospital appointments have been cancelled? 5 point something million, which represents a lot of dead or infirm people, now and in the future. Were they ever factored into a cost/benefit analysis before all the lockdowns? There are actuaries who could do that, but instead the government chose to listen to Professor Neil Ferguson, who's never been right about anything important in his field. We won't talk about where his funding comes from. I thought after he was caught breaking his own rules he'd gone, but like Gary Glitter, he's back. Oops, showing my age there!
    What I'm saying is that one either has to believe our leaders are bumbling idiots or suspect that something deeper is going on, designed to unsettle us and make the population as a whole more compliant. Knowing there are powerful influencers out there - not the sort that discuss fashion trends - who believe they do have all the answers, it's very interesting. Their solution is simple; socialism....well, for you and me anyway. It's the most efficient way to get all these awkward millions into line, consuming much less and thus saving the planet.
    Who knows, they could even be right, but I'm not optimistic our best interests are going to be served!

    Sorry, you thought this thread was about how often you shower etc. Well, maybe it is, but instead of choosing freely, you may soon be allocated electricity units to spend as you wish. It'll be the new normal and you'll love it because the pandas will be safe.
    Which tin foil do you find makes the best hat?
  • DavesnaveDavesnave Forumite
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    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Davesnave said:
    Sea_Shell said:
    I read in The Grocer, that sales of personal care products are down £380 million so ewwww

    Personal care products are largely unnecessary and often terrible for the environment, hopefully people are realising they can be clean and hygienic without needing tons of single use plastic!

    Personally I'm just trying to save my sanity at this moment in time....the planet will have to wait it's turn!!!
    Another thing that worries me greatly about this situation, all this plastic PPE, all these disposable masks, yes air pollution and emissions are down which is great, but climate change isn’t going to pause and wait for us while we deal with COVID, we are currently living through TWO huge crises.
    So wear a washable mask like I do and keep two feet firmly on the ground. My own view is that if enough hysteria can be generated, the majority will  become favourably inclined towards solutions potentially worse than the problems . Some of the  lunacy relating to Covid is a great demonstration of this, hence my signature. A trashed economy will not make us healthier.
    I work in a healthcare, we can't wear the re-usable masks at work.  I do wear a cloth one outside of work. 
    The economy isn't my biggest concern, its a construct anyway, human will can solve the problems arising from damage to the economy, not so the climate. 
    If you use PPE as part of health related work, then of course you should use the pro version, just as I should if I'm spraying on the farm, demolishing a wall or dealing with asbestos. Professionals do not usually litter the street with discarded equipment.

    Whether they are littering the street or going in to landfill, they aren't disappearing for millennia.  Its not appearances that are the issue! 

    So you'd rather we didn't use them....or what? I don't understand.
    I'm sure the hospital ones could at least be incinerated, if not on site, then at some place where the heat generated is used.

    I'm concerned about the environmental impact of the pandemic.  I don't have all the answers sadly. 

    The virus and measures taken in attempts to contain it have shown up the interconnectedness of human activity. For example people contributing to this thread have not been doing certain things, such as going on foreign holidays, so there's been an immediate financial and social impact in the countries dependent on jet planes moving large numbers of humans to far-off places.
    With people staying nearer home, the jet fuel hasn't been turned into CO2 in such quantities and demand for oil has fallen, so oil prices have dropped. This has meant the kerosene used to heat my house has changed from being expensive at 45-60p per litre to  a very affordable 30p pl, removing any incentive for me to switch to more environmentally friendly alternatives.
    People not going to the office has meant a surge in the sale/production of cheap garments, like track suits, but we know some of those use oil as a raw material and conditions for workers in the overseas rag trade are often far from ideal, so there are pluses and minuses there too....and so it goes on; both positive and negative impacts in every change one studies. 
    Witnessing innumerable intractable issues, and potentially the loss of their jobs, or being afflicted by the virus itself, ordinary people have become more fearful and depressed, often cut off from friends and family, their normal social lives curtailed and their children's education disrupted. Whatever else it's been, this past year has seemed like a mass psychological operation , with the government alternately playing good cop, bad cop: e.g. you can have Christmas as usual / err, no you can't etc.
    And how many hospital appointments have been cancelled? 5 point something million, which represents a lot of dead or infirm people, now and in the future. Were they ever factored into a cost/benefit analysis before all the lockdowns? There are actuaries who could do that, but instead the government chose to listen to Professor Neil Ferguson, who's never been right about anything important in his field. We won't talk about where his funding comes from. I thought after he was caught breaking his own rules he'd gone, but like Gary Glitter, he's back. Oops, showing my age there!
    What I'm saying is that one either has to believe our leaders are bumbling idiots or suspect that something deeper is going on, designed to unsettle us and make the population as a whole more compliant. Knowing there are powerful influencers out there - not the sort that discuss fashion trends - who believe they do have all the answers, it's very interesting. Their solution is simple; socialism....well, for you and me anyway. It's the most efficient way to get all these awkward millions into line, consuming much less and thus saving the planet.
    Who knows, they could even be right, but I'm not optimistic our best interests are going to be served!

    Sorry, you thought this thread was about how often you shower etc. Well, maybe it is, but instead of choosing freely, you may soon be allocated electricity units to spend as you wish. It'll be the new normal and you'll love it because the pandas will be safe.
    Which tin foil do you find makes the best hat?
    Oh dear, is that worn-out cliche the best you can do?  When you have no capacity for dialogue, insult people. At which university did you learn that?  
     Apparently, you just wanted to come here and tell people how bad their personal care products are for the environment and then go on your merry way. OK job done. 'Bye.
    Patron to The Warning
    " We've got to live with misfortune and risk because the alternative is worse." Lord Sumption.
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