Wing Parking second stage

Coupon-mad

Yes, WING PARKING SHOULD BE IGNORED. 

There is no point 'appealing' to Islington who are clearly content to use a non-BPA unregulated PPC and can't care two hoots about consumers if they allowed this - and we know they know.

maxxpayne

Coupon-mad said:

Yes, WING PARKING SHOULD BE IGNORED. 

There is no point 'appealing' to Islington who are clearly content to use a non-BPA unregulated PPC and can't care two hoots about consumers if they allowed this - and we know they know.

Cool. That settles it then.
Thank you and everyone else. You guys/gals are amazing to say the least.

Coupon-mad

I got an FOI from the DVLA about Wing Parking that I haven't posted here yet as I am trying to work out how to show attachments now that PDFs can't be uploaded.  It seems that there is apparently no system for when a PPC leaves an AOS (or it failed spectacularly last year) because the DVLA were not even told about Wing leaving until an aside during a meeting nearly 3 months later, at the end of January 2021. 

The FOI info from the DVLA - public info that I can share - reveals that:

Wing left the AOS on 31st October 2020 but the DVLA only found out nearly 3 months later, by a chance remark in a meeting (this scenario is revealed in a redacted email saying as much).  

But the DVLA were still releasing data to Wing in the first few days of December 2020, for incidents dated October.  The DVLA seem unworried and the email trail I was shown under FOI tell me that the DVLA just said that they were 'surprised' to learn this 3 months later.  They were just 'surprised'?  Not concerned?

Who knows, nothing else was revealed in the FOI about what was done to address the issue.  The email from the DVLA went to a redacted recipient (it's easy for anyone reading the FOI to guess which corporate body that was, but in case I am wrong I've edited here) 

Do you fancy doing an FOI to Islington, to ask if they have obtained DVLA data on behalf of Wing, using their free link to DVLA data?  They are not allowed to but I wonder if they have, or are, or will.

The DVLA didn't hold that information; astonishingly, the KADOE system fails to ask what location the data is being harvested for. 

They just hand the data over in any numbers - for any locations - to any AOS member who uses the electronic KADOE link.  That means that if complaints come in to the DVLA about a particular site (such as, let's say where a PPC might be harvesting data on Local Authority owned land, which has happened in the past), the DVLA seems to have no way of identifying how many data subjects are affected, because they simply don't hold the information that relates to a particular site. 

In short, the DVLA don't know - and would have to ask the PPC - how many data subjects have had their data collected for a location.  If by then a PPC has left an AOS and no longer has access to the KADOE link nor cares about what the DVLA think, then there is no Trade Body to lean on the PPC to compel them to answer. 

And off the PPC would go to court, using DVLA data that they may not have actually had a right to get, at all.  A shocking state of affairs.

maxxpayne

Coupon-mad said:

Do you fancy doing an FOI to Islington, to ask if they have obtained DVLA data on behalf of Wing, using their free link to DVLA data?  They are not allowed to but I wonder if they have, or are, or will.

The DVLA didn't hold that information; astonishingly, the KADOE system fails to ask what location the data is being harvested for. 

Sorry, just saw this - I have made a request for the above and will update as soon as I hear anything back from them.

In the meantime, I've created a seperate thread to ask about an appeals mistake I made in relation to this. I thinki this thread is getting too long?

Umkomaas

In the meantime, I've created a seperate thread to ask about an appeals mistake I made in relation to this. I thinki this thread is getting too long?

Please don't, there will be no context and no one will be jumping back and to on separate threads to check what's already been asked/advised. 

Redx

In relation to that other thread you should not have posted , nobody on here gives a **** regarding zzps bog paper !!!

Post 4  of the newbies FAQ sticky thread for them , always has been

You should concentrate on finding out the legal issues caused by Wing leaving the BPA AOS register

DVLA access , Islington council , etc

maxxpayne

Moving my other thread here...

Earlier this year in January, the driver was issued a ticket by Wing Parking again which I appealed aginst, without the knowledge that Wing Parking had actually left the AOS! As a result of this, this lovely letter below arrived earlier today.

I appealed using the forum template on 02/02/21 and received a template rejection letter from Wing on 21/03/21. I was given 28 days to do a second stage appeal however, I missed the deadline and also because of the fact that I was aware by that time that Wing had left BPA AOS and no action should be taken. Probably my mistake!

Regardless, how best to proceed now? I'm not sure how this particular outfit got hold of my data, unless they used Wings appeal data where I appealed as the keeper to send this out, as technically Wing should not have access to DLVA data anymore.

Umkomaas

I'm not sure how this particular outfit got hold of my data, unless they used Wings appeal data where I appealed as the keeper to send this out, as technically Wing should not have access to DLVA data anymore.

If you've appealed to Wing, giving your address details, then that's the source.  Nothing clandestine. 

maxxpayne

Umkomaas said:

I'm not sure how this particular outfit got hold of my data, unless they used Wings appeal data where I appealed as the keeper to send this out, as technically Wing should not have access to DLVA data anymore.

If you've appealed to Wing, giving your address details, then that's the source.  Nothing clandestine. 

Oops! So I dug my own grave! Surely they still can't legally do anything as they don't legally know who the registered keeper is?

Le_Kirk

maxxpayne said:

Umkomaas said:

I'm not sure how this particular outfit got hold of my data, unless they used Wings appeal data where I appealed as the keeper to send this out, as technically Wing should not have access to DLVA data anymore.

If you've appealed to Wing, giving your address details, then that's the source.  Nothing clandestine. 

Oops! So I dug my own grave! Surely they still can't legally do anything as they don't legally know who the registered keeper is?

Did you appeal as keeper or driver?