B&M parking ticket x2

nosferatu1001

The NtK can take 7 months to get to YOU, because the driver is still potentially liable and you told them who drove
the rules for a NtK only apply when they want to hold the keeper liable. 

Nothing you have said has the slightest impact on them. They ONLY MAKE MONEY FROM THEWSE NOTICES! They are NOT a normal business, they are parasites. They produce nothing of any use. 

Redx

Unfair or not , they are contracted to manage the parking spaces for the business and not fly parkers or anyone parking up out of hours to walk dogs or to trespass , so was it really unfair or was it trespassing ?? After all , it's not your land and not council land or a public road

Mitigation is rarely taken into account , they just want your money

There was no offence , it's not a criminal matter , nothing to do with being law abiding. , It's fly parking on private property and not using the car parknfor it's designated purpose !! You should be parking on the public road you pay road tax for every year !

They have 7 months to obtain keeper details and issue the parking notices

If you have told them who was driving , all bets are off , drivers have no protection , it's an unregulated unfair industry , ask the MP s that debated it 2 years ago !

To give them a new address. , You use the DPA law GDPR that came in a few years ago , you email the DPO at the PPC and give them your new address and tell them to erase your old one , attaching redacted copies of 2 recent utility bills as proof of I D under the GDPR law , known as a data rectification notice

See this discussion

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6224517/parking-ticket-from-premier-park-changed-address-given-to-debt-collectors/p2

Coupon-mad

  Along with them contravening the rules regarding Notice to Keeper as they took 70 days to get the Parking tickets to me.  Does anyone ever come back and tell us whether they were successful with these reasons. 

You would have been but can't use that now because you presumably told them who was driving, if Resolver's advice is as bad as I think it is.

People come back and report how they get on in court (almost every day on here) and 99% of people see the PPC discontinue or they win.  Nothing to worry about and certainly don't be that person who pays for an easy life, and thereby supports and funds the next fews scam tickets for the next victims.

if i am moving house soon how is the best way to inform them of my new address if they have not even responded to my appeals?

You email the DPO (see NEWBIES thread for acronyms) telling them to erase the old address).  And you keep that email in a file, just in case.  But G24 almost never sue anyone.  Ignore them unless you move or unless a court claim arrives.

WendyE1972

Redx said:

Unfair or not , they are contracted to manage the parking spaces for the business and not fly parkers or anyone parking up out of hours to walk dogs or to trespass , so was it really unfair or was it trespassing ?? After all , it's not your land and not council land or a public road

Mitigation is rarely taken into account , they just want your money

There was no offence , it's not a criminal matter , nothing to do with being law abiding. , It's fly parking on private property and not using the car parknfor it's designated purpose !! You should be parking on the public road you pay road tax for every year !

They have 7 months to obtain keeper details and issue the parking notices

If you have told them who was driving , all bets are off , drivers have no protection , it's an unregulated unfair industry , ask the MP s that debated it 2 years ago !

To give them a new address. , You use the DPA law GDPR that came in a few years ago , you email the DPO at the PPC and give them your new address and tell them to erase your old one , attaching redacted copies of 2 recent utility bills as proof of I D under the GDPR law , known as a data rectification notice

See this discussion

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6224517/parking-ticket-from-premier-park-changed-address-given-to-debt-collectors/p2

Ok so I have shot myself in the foot about denying I was driving as I appealed so basically if I get taken to court I will lose unless i can think of any mitigating circumstances as I gather making a genuine mistake is not counted.  Just so I can ensure my defence is meaningful what other mitigating circumstances could I use.  In case it does go to court I am currently trying to collect evidence do any of these count as more meaningful mitigating  (signs not lit up- i got there at 6am, it says customer parking only when you drive into the car park but does not say on this sign that APR in operation 24/7 as I assumed was only in operation when store was open-another sign that is quite high up unlit states 24/7 which i incidentally did not see as i drove past i as no one was in the car park so i cut across the car park).  I use this car park regularly when using the store and would never contravene the parking restrictions during store opening hours is it worth using this as a defence and providing proof of purchases to prove that in store opening times I was compliant.   
On a number of occasions, I have come across comments that G24 do not often take people to court but they date back to 2015 so is this still the case as I am going to have to hope that if my mitigating circumstances are not strong enough that they do not go that far.  Also I have 2 tickets - will that be 2 courts hearings or will they bulk it together as trying to work out the likely cost if it does go to court - I have read it can be from £25 - £400 with cost of hearing (any idea of how much a court hearing costs?)for 2 tickets is this going to run into thousands of pounds??

Redx

A defence is based on legal arguments , such as

No landowner authority
Poor and inadequate signage
POFA 2012
The CRA 2015

Etc

Nobody can tell you what they may do in the future

A court claim loss for one PCN is about £200

Adding a second PCN to the same claim would be say £300 or both , so a total of £300 or thereabouts

Definitely not thousands , unless you paid for your own legal counsel (solicitor)

So for 2 PCN s it's say £300 at one hearing , definitely no more than your £400 query

WendyE1972

Redx said:

A defence is based on legal arguments , such as

No landowner authority
Poor and inadequate signage
POFA 2012
The CRA 2015

Etc

Nobody can tell you what they may do in the future

A court claim loss for one PCN is about £200

Adding a second PCN to the same claim would be say £300 or both , so a total of £300 or thereabouts

Definitely not thousands , unless you paid for your own legal counsel (solicitor)

So for 2 PCN s it's say £300 at one hearing , definitely no more than your £400 query

Well it is already £180 as did not pay in 14 days due to appeal and in another 2 weeks they are going to put an extra £60 on for the debt recovery - so how long does it take to find out you go to court - if they can take up to 6 years will the debt recovery keep getting bigger?  So without any legal experience how do I defend myself with legal arguments if I do not know what they are - I have just read a 26 page dossier from someone that won & it might as well be in a foreign language!  If this is what you need to win then you will need someone who knows what they are talking about as my defence will be a few paragraphs at most. 
I was not asking you to predict the future but are you saying that from 2015 till now that G24 do not take people to court as I am happy to work with probabilities!

Umkomaas

Just relax before you're panicked into paying the silly amounts they're asking for. Up to last year, despite issuing over a million tickets over the years, G24 had never issued a court case - ever. 

We have seen a tiny number (single figures) of G24 court claims over the past 12 months, but I don't recall them getting anywhere.  

You just have to wait to see what, if anything, they do from here. Thrashing around in panic mode won't resolve anything, other than give you more insomnia than you might already be experiencing. 

Ralph-y

"I have already tried to complain to landowner they have contacted G24 who are still refusing to cancel the parking ticket."

did you get that in writing?

Ralph

Coupon-mad

Ok so I have shot myself in the foot about denying I was driving as I appealed so basically if I get taken to court I will lose unless i can think of any mitigating circumstances 

Completely wrong.  No-one said any of that (except that admitting to driving in the appeal was not what we do).

G24 don't sue people much (haven't seen many at all in years) and we win 99% of cases defended, mostly by people who've shot their toes off by blabbing about being the driver.  Ordinary non-legal people just like you and me.  They all manage it with our help

Well it is already £180 as did not pay in 14 days due to appeal and in another 2 weeks they are going to put an extra £60 on for the debt recovery - if they can take up to 6 years will the debt recovery keep getting bigger? 

Wow, you haven't yet understood that not even the £60 is allowed?  They can't add these fake debt recovery costs.  even if you got a court claim, defended and were in the 1% here who manage to lose, the £60 would not be allowed, per PCN, by a Judge with half a brain.  And we tell people how to argue that point too.

Stop worrying and certainly DON'T ring them or pay them any money.   

You sound like a woman after my own heart (and generation) - just the sort of person who would benefit from reading the Hansard records of the 3 Parliamentary debates from 2018 where MPs unanimously exposed the 'outrageous scam' of private parking firms.  The MPs' words will cement in your mind that the industry is rotten and that right thinking people don't give in to this bullying extortion:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-07-19/debates/2b90805c-bff8-4707-8bdc-b0bfae5a7ad5/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill(FirstSitting)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-11-23/debates/005F9F65-57E5-4AD0-B6EC-C26C75A7AAA2/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

Then take your new-found knowledge to your MP to lend weight to any complaint you make to the landowner about this entrapment.  And from now on, avoid private car parks, you DO NOT NEED A CAR PARK.  I have no idea why people seek them out when there are perfectly good on-street spaces and side roads in most towns.

WendyE1972

Ralph-y said:

"I have already tried to complain to landowner they have contacted G24 who are still refusing to cancel the parking ticket."

did you get that in writing?

Ralph

What is the best way to do this - i spoke to the manager on duty - who should i escalate it to as they probably will not be available! I saw someone referred to CEO so is this is a genuine suggestion - whoever it is are you suggesting I write to them or they write back to me as aware that i am asking them to do me a favour and not convinced anyone in management at B&M will be bothered with a parking issue !!Umkomaas said: