I cannot work from home I work for the NHS

Aranyani

billy2shots said:

ToxicWomble said:

That makes a lot of sense thanks.

I think the issue is that our pension is often used as an easy stick to wave at us by other sectors with my point being - if it’s that good, then why do we still have such big recruitment and retention problems.
If people want the good pension,come join us - but it seems for whatever reason they won’t/don’t hence why the good pension is seen as a very nice reward for a lifetime of public service and helping people.

I know the forces and police pensions aren’t as generous, but no one ever seems to have a pop at them being able to retire on full pension after 20odd years.

It just gets tiresome after a while.

Thanks again

In 21 years in private health care I have not once worked alongside a former NHS staff member. I have waved goodbye to many colleagues who have left to join the NHS so once in, I believe the system to be good and rewarding, the difficulty like us in health and social care is attracting people to the role to begin with. 

 

Presumably you work in a role that doesn't require registration then?  Qualified staff leave the NHS to go to the private sector quite regularly, although some also end up coming back, or doing a bit of both. 

I am in complete agreement with you that social care staff are undervalued and deserve better pay, conditions and recognition.

billy2shots

Aranyani said:

billy2shots said:

ToxicWomble said:

That makes a lot of sense thanks.

I think the issue is that our pension is often used as an easy stick to wave at us by other sectors with my point being - if it’s that good, then why do we still have such big recruitment and retention problems.
If people want the good pension,come join us - but it seems for whatever reason they won’t/don’t hence why the good pension is seen as a very nice reward for a lifetime of public service and helping people.

I know the forces and police pensions aren’t as generous, but no one ever seems to have a pop at them being able to retire on full pension after 20odd years.

It just gets tiresome after a while.

Thanks again

In 21 years in private health care I have not once worked alongside a former NHS staff member. I have waved goodbye to many colleagues who have left to join the NHS so once in, I believe the system to be good and rewarding, the difficulty like us in health and social care is attracting people to the role to begin with. 

 

Presumably you work in a role that doesn't require registration then?  Qualified staff leave the NHS to go to the private sector quite regularly, although some also end up coming back, or doing a bit of both. 

I am in complete agreement with you that social care staff are undervalued and deserve better pay, conditions and recognition.

My service is regulated and registered and I am a Registered Manager / Responsible Person with CQC but if you mean am I a Doctor or Nurse then no I am not. 

strawb_shortcake

My friend works in the NHS as a nurse, not frontline but offering a much needed and valuable role to some of the most vulnerable in our society. She found it all very embarrassing throughout the lockdown all the offers of free things and jump ahead of the queue. She only took advantage a couple of times but didn't like the attention it came with. In her eyes she was only doing her job, and other colleagues were suffering far more than herself. 

As for the working at home, I've been lucky enough to be at home throughout as another public sector worker. We are going to be out of office for at least another 6 months. There is going to be a massive job of paper filing when we eventually go back, which I'm not sure has really been considered or how it's going to be managed. 
With much of the PS/CS relying on paper files I can see there is at least one valid arguement for staff being in the office depending on your role, but I'm sure there are others.

diggingdude

I'm a local authority social worker. We are over stretched and under resourced with a massive recruitment issue. It did annoy me that my doctor sister in law earns significantly more than me and gets a 10% discount in Morrisons. Nothing I can do about it though so just get in with it. A fair few would benefit getting on with things but this comment will probably get me another warning 

Andy_L

unholyangel said:

I'm not sure about the NHS pensions, but the few public sector pensions I've seen, very little of what is being deducted in "pension contributions" is actually going into that pension pot. From memory, it was something like 20% of their contributions are actually paid into the pot. 

Most Public Sector pensions do not have a "pot" but are unfunded. The employers/employees contributions are used to pay the pension of current retired members with any excess/shortfall going to/made up by the treasury. IIRC the NHS is currently "in profit" (ie giving money to the treasury) whilst the Civil Service is "in debit" due to the differing demographic profiles  & recruitment patterns of the organisations.

Aranyani

annabanana82 said:

My friend works in the NHS as a nurse, not frontline but offering a much needed and valuable role to some of the most vulnerable in our society. She found it all very embarrassing throughout the lockdown all the offers of free things and jump ahead of the queue. She only took advantage a couple of times but didn't like the attention it came with. In her eyes she was only doing her job, and other colleagues were suffering far more than herself. 

As for the working at home, I've been lucky enough to be at home throughout as another public sector worker. We are going to be out of office for at least another 6 months. There is going to be a massive job of paper filing when we eventually go back, which I'm not sure has really been considered or how it's going to be managed. 
With much of the PS/CS relying on paper files I can see there is at least one valid arguement for staff being in the office depending on your role, but I'm sure there are others.

I hope you've been provided with lockable cases/files if you're expected to store confidential paperwork for over a year! 

strawb_shortcake

Aranyani said:

annabanana82 said:

My friend works in the NHS as a nurse, not frontline but offering a much needed and valuable role to some of the most vulnerable in our society. She found it all very embarrassing throughout the lockdown all the offers of free things and jump ahead of the queue. She only took advantage a couple of times but didn't like the attention it came with. In her eyes she was only doing her job, and other colleagues were suffering far more than herself. 

As for the working at home, I've been lucky enough to be at home throughout as another public sector worker. We are going to be out of office for at least another 6 months. There is going to be a massive job of paper filing when we eventually go back, which I'm not sure has really been considered or how it's going to be managed. 
With much of the PS/CS relying on paper files I can see there is at least one valid arguement for staff being in the office depending on your role, but I'm sure there are others.

I hope you've been provided with lockable cases/files if you're expected to store confidential paperwork for over a year! 

We aren't producing any hard copies of anything, so not only will we have filing to do but 1 years worth of printing...

Aranyani

annabanana82 said:

Aranyani said:

annabanana82 said:

My friend works in the NHS as a nurse, not frontline but offering a much needed and valuable role to some of the most vulnerable in our society. She found it all very embarrassing throughout the lockdown all the offers of free things and jump ahead of the queue. She only took advantage a couple of times but didn't like the attention it came with. In her eyes she was only doing her job, and other colleagues were suffering far more than herself. 

As for the working at home, I've been lucky enough to be at home throughout as another public sector worker. We are going to be out of office for at least another 6 months. There is going to be a massive job of paper filing when we eventually go back, which I'm not sure has really been considered or how it's going to be managed. 
With much of the PS/CS relying on paper files I can see there is at least one valid arguement for staff being in the office depending on your role, but I'm sure there are others.

I hope you've been provided with lockable cases/files if you're expected to store confidential paperwork for over a year! 

We aren't producing any hard copies of anything, so not only will we have filing to do but 1 years worth of printing...

Well then the best thing to do would be to invest in a secure shared server to avoid all the above.  Most NHS trusts already have them. 

strawb_shortcake

Aranyani said:

annabanana82 said:

Aranyani said:

annabanana82 said:

My friend works in the NHS as a nurse, not frontline but offering a much needed and valuable role to some of the most vulnerable in our society. She found it all very embarrassing throughout the lockdown all the offers of free things and jump ahead of the queue. She only took advantage a couple of times but didn't like the attention it came with. In her eyes she was only doing her job, and other colleagues were suffering far more than herself. 

As for the working at home, I've been lucky enough to be at home throughout as another public sector worker. We are going to be out of office for at least another 6 months. There is going to be a massive job of paper filing when we eventually go back, which I'm not sure has really been considered or how it's going to be managed. 
With much of the PS/CS relying on paper files I can see there is at least one valid arguement for staff being in the office depending on your role, but I'm sure there are others.

I hope you've been provided with lockable cases/files if you're expected to store confidential paperwork for over a year! 

We aren't producing any hard copies of anything, so not only will we have filing to do but 1 years worth of printing...

Well then the best thing to do would be to invest in a secure shared server to avoid all the above.  Most NHS trusts already have them. 

We do, I'd be surprised if there was a government department without them. 
But that doesn't negate the fact that we will still have hard copy filing to do when we eventually go back

Barny1979

Covid should be an instigator for most things to go digital, unless the paperwork is part of legislation.