UPDATE: Moving house - Europcar admin fee & awaiting NtH from Premier Parking Solutions HELP

twhitehousescat

Were_Doomed said:

A tangential question ... how many people were listed on the hire agreement as being able to drive the vehicle? It's unusual for another person to be able to drive a hire vehicle if they're not listed on the agreement ... even if said person has their own insurance coverage which allows them to drive other vehicles with the owner's consent - if they're not listed on the agreement then there's no consent. (The hirer has no authority to give such consent).

Just raising this for thought and deliberation ... if you were the only person authorised on the hire agreement to drive the vehicle then by default you were the driver at the time of this PCN incident -  unless you can prove otherwise.

it were the radioactive spiders  guv http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2013/05/highview-parking-spurred-into-immediate.html

Were_Doomed

I remember that one.  

OnTheRoadAgain2000

Coupon-mad said:

Apart from going to BVRLA and requesting a chargeback from credit card, is there nothing else to be done?

Well no, because those are the two ways to get the charge removed!  Not sure why you don't want to try those (credit card is easy).

I'm not opposed to either. I've used chargeback before for Ryanair flight. It is very easy. Europcar haven't actually taken then money yet so I can't do a chargeback yet anyway. I imagine they haven't tried to take it while i'm still going through the complaint process. If they do I will immediately dispute it with the credit card provider. I don't know how the BVRLA process works, but I will also do that. Just hoped I could get Europcar to be reasonable first. They clearly are not going to be.
And if PPS never actual send me any notice to hirer or anything at all then I can't appeal, so Europcar's offer ro reverse the car if appeal is successful is a moot point.

OnTheRoadAgain2000

twhitehousescat said:

 By signing the rental agreement you have indicated acceptance of the Terms and Conditions which in this instance stipulates that you agree for Europcar to provide your personal details to the DVLA, HM Revenue &Customs, the police, debt collectors and any other relevant organisation. 

since when has the company issuing an invoice been a relevant organisation. , and I would query debt collectors under data protection 

This is exactly what I'm arguing with them. I've sent several long and short emails outlining this again and again.
What do you mean by "query debt collectors under data protection"?

D_P_Dance

if you were the only person authorised on the hire agreement to drive the vehicle then by default you were the driver at the time

Are you sure about that? 

twhitehousescat

OnTheRoadAgain2000 said:

twhitehousescat said:

 By signing the rental agreement you have indicated acceptance of the Terms and Conditions which in this instance stipulates that you agree for Europcar to provide your personal details to the DVLA, HM Revenue &Customs, the police, debt collectors and any other relevant organisation. 

since when has the company issuing an invoice been a relevant organisation. , and I would query debt collectors under data protection 

This is exactly what I'm arguing with them. I've sent several long and short emails outlining this again and again.
What do you mean by "query debt collectors under data protection"?

I would ask what right the hire co had in giving out my data to non regulatory company , debt collectors are the low of the scum and have NO POWERS , NO RIGHTS nothing , and I would kick off like hell if a car hire co gave my info/details to that scum 

Coupon-mad

I think I would point out to Europcar that they don't appear to have transferred liability anyway, by naming you as the hirer, because the parking firm has failed to send you a Notice to Hirer, so can they please send you a copy of the letter or transfer slip they say they sent.  You also wish to check they nominated the correct current address for you (maybe they have an old address or got it wrong?).

Add that they appear to be extremely muddled about the process and have no idea of the difference between private parking charges and actual penalties/fines. 

Add that if they take the money you will do a chargeback and report them to the BVRLA.

Were_Doomed

D_P_Dance said:

if you were the only person authorised on the hire agreement to drive the vehicle then by default you were the driver at the time

Are you sure about that? 

Would you care to quote my WHOLE post please? I've already explained my reasoning. 🙄
If you disagree with it then please explain why - I am not going to regurgitate what I've already written.

twhitehousescat

D_P_Dance said:

if you were the only person authorised on the hire agreement to drive the vehicle then by default you were the driver at the time

Are you sure about that? 

have you asked your mp 

OnTheRoadAgain2000

Please can someone just help me clear up timings. I'm confused as there is a lot of different info out there.
I will follow the Newbie thread to the letter from plan A on down just as soon as I receive a NtH.
But it has now been 55 days since date of the alleged incident. Does that mean anything at all? It seems a long time.
Various people have said that the hire company have 28 days to send name and address of the hirer and then the PPS have 21 days to issue a Notice to Hirer.
Does that have implications for this if I ever receive a NtH?
Thanks for all the help so far.