PAS 232 Consultation .... A response

Umkomaas

AnotherForumite said:

Snakes_Belly said:

The PPC's are trying to make out that the existing measures in terms of enforcement and amount of charge is currently not a deterrent. 

There may be some chancers who they will never find anyway. For the majority of posters who come onto this forum for help, the transgressions are minor if at all. People who receive claims for parking in a spot where they are entitled to park. Disabled people whose badge has fallen from the windscreen. Fluttering tickets, etc. 

I hope that Robert Jenrick does not fall for this "deterrent" business.  I guess that they were going to fight back we just have to fight harder. 

Notice that South Yorkshire is going into the highest tier. I feel sorry for the people of South Yorkshire and the surrounding area. I hope that they soon rid themselves of the virus.

The there has been some serious mis-reporting on this subject, do not believe everything that you read. The call for empowering a PPC to immobilise a vehicle via the PAS is in relation to persistent evaders only (or chancers as you put it). 

I read nothing as nuanced as that (through the 1"x1" comments viewing window!). 

To reiterate, no one has asked for a blanket return of wheel clamping;

Seriously?  The only 'clamping and towing' comments I read were the full-blooded, rabid variety.

TOP_CAT

The rats are leaving the ship ......

Umkomaas

TOP_CAT said:

The rats are leaving the ship ......

With the forum cats chasing them ...... !

beamerguy

AnotherForumite said:

Snakes_Belly said:

The PPC's are trying to make out that the existing measures in terms of enforcement and amount of charge is currently not a deterrent. 

There may be some chancers who they will never find anyway. For the majority of posters who come onto this forum for help, the transgressions are minor if at all. People who receive claims for parking in a spot where they are entitled to park. Disabled people whose badge has fallen from the windscreen. Fluttering tickets, etc. 

I hope that Robert Jenrick does not fall for this "deterrent" business.  I guess that they were going to fight back we just have to fight harder. 

Notice that South Yorkshire is going into the highest tier. I feel sorry for the people of South Yorkshire and the surrounding area. I hope that they soon rid themselves of the virus.

The there has been some serious mis-reporting on this subject, do not believe everything that you read. The call for empowering a PPC to immobilise a vehicle via the PAS is in relation to persistent evaders only (or chancers as you put it). 

By your own admission there are people that are untraceable, and park with impunity as a result; therefore, the only way to deal with it is to immobilise the vehicle.
To reiterate, no one has asked for a blanket return of wheel clamping; the proposal is to deal with persistent evaders only (those with 3 or more outstanding PCN); which is perfectly reasonable.
There is a back door way to achieve this under current legislation, which will be utilised if necessary; but it is preferable to do things via the new code so that the practice is regulated.

Bit of dreaming going here I think.  3 PCN's or 100 PCN's really does not matter, they are just an invoice  that needs to be proven, not just in the greedy thoughts of chancer parking companies.
Clamping is illegal and would include any back door that is dreamed up

It will stay illegal and serial clampers who break the law could well be looking at prison time.

Nice try but I think we all prefer the AA's version 

Snakes_Belly

Clamping will not return. It's a backward step. 

Your suggestion means that someone who has their own parking space but is not displaying a permit will have their car towed away. I don't think so. 

It would certainly increase the number of court cases which goes against the principles of the new CoP. 

Coupon-mad

AnotherForumite said:

beamerguy said:

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Vehicles WILL be immobilised (and maybe even towed) with or without the PAS (preferably with), I absolutely guarantee it.

No, they won't.

BrownTrout

AnotherForumite said:

beamerguy said:

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Vehicles WILL be immobilised (and maybe even towed) with or without the PAS (preferably with), I absolutely guarantee it.

Someone has to much time on their hands

AnotherForumite

Coupon-mad said:

AnotherForumite said:

beamerguy said:

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Vehicles WILL be immobilised (and maybe even towed) with or without the PAS (preferably with), I absolutely guarantee it.

No, they won't.

We shall see 

beamerguy

AnotherForumite said:

Coupon-mad said:

AnotherForumite said:

beamerguy said:

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Vehicles WILL be immobilised (and maybe even towed) with or without the PAS (preferably with), I absolutely guarantee it.

No, they won't.

We shall see 

When you wake up tomorrow you will realise it's just a bad dream.
I understand though that Amazon is getting ready by stocking up with angle grinders .. just in case your dream comes true

AnotherForumite

beamerguy said:

AnotherForumite said:

Coupon-mad said:

AnotherForumite said:

beamerguy said:

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Vehicles WILL be immobilised (and maybe even towed) with or without the PAS (preferably with), I absolutely guarantee it.

No, they won't.

We shall see 

When you wake up tomorrow you will realise it's just a bad dream.
I understand though that Amazon is getting ready by stocking up with angle grinders .. just in case your dream comes true

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