PAS 232 Consultation .... A response

Snakes_Belly

PPC's ignore letters from MP's however it was motorists writing in droves to their MP's that resulted in Sir Greg's bill receiving cross party support.

I know that they cannot do much but my MP's letter offering help on House of Commons note paper looked good in the bundle. It gives the impression that this is not just about the money but the principle. Since then she has sent my communications to Robert Jenrick. 

So not a waste of time but a letter from an MP to a PPC is not likely to result in the charge being cancelled.

Castle

A few more words from the AA's website:-
https://www.theaa.com/about-us/newsroom/cowboy-clampers-desperate-to-return

beamerguy

Castle said:

A few more words from the AA's website:-
https://www.theaa.com/about-us/newsroom/cowboy-clampers-desperate-to-return

Thanks for that.

I think Robert Jenrick has two ways to go ...
* Make it clear to the scammers that "cash for favours" is not an option
OR,
*Bow down to scammers and watch Boris fall into the sewers

D_P_Dance

I have no problem with either.

Snakes_Belly

The PPC's are trying to make out that the existing measures in terms of enforcement and amount of charge is currently not a deterrent. 

There may be some chancers who they will never find anyway. For the majority of posters who come onto this forum for help, the transgressions are minor if at all. People who receive claims for parking in a spot where they are entitled to park. Disabled people whose badge has fallen from the windscreen, fluttering tickets, etc. 

I hope that Robert Jenrick does not fall for this "deterrent" business.  I guess that they were going to fight back we just have to fight harder. 

Notice that South Yorkshire is going into the highest tier. I feel sorry for the people of South Yorkshire and the surrounding area. I hope that they soon rid themselves of the virus.

Umkomaas

Notice that South Yorkshire is going into the highest tier. I feel sorry for the people of South Yorkshire and the surrounding area. I hope that they soon rid themselves of the virus.

It might just help rid themselves of local PPC viruses that operate out of there!

AnotherForumite

Snakes_Belly said:

The PPC's are trying to make out that the existing measures in terms of enforcement and amount of charge is currently not a deterrent. 

There may be some chancers who they will never find anyway. For the majority of posters who come onto this forum for help, the transgressions are minor if at all. People who receive claims for parking in a spot where they are entitled to park. Disabled people whose badge has fallen from the windscreen. Fluttering tickets, etc. 

I hope that Robert Jenrick does not fall for this "deterrent" business.  I guess that they were going to fight back we just have to fight harder. 

Notice that South Yorkshire is going into the highest tier. I feel sorry for the people of South Yorkshire and the surrounding area. I hope that they soon rid themselves of the virus.

The there has been some serious mis-reporting on this subject, do not believe everything that you read. The call for empowering a PPC to immobilise a vehicle via the PAS is in relation to persistent evaders only (or chancers as you put it). 

By your own admission there are people that are untraceable, and park with impunity as a result; therefore, the only way to deal with it is to immobilise the vehicle.
To reiterate, no one has asked for a blanket return of wheel clamping; the proposal is to deal with persistent evaders only (those with 3 or more outstanding PCN); which is perfectly reasonable.
There is a back door way to achieve this under current legislation, which will be utilised if necessary; but it is preferable to do things via the new code so that the practice is regulated.

beamerguy

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Snakes_Belly

AnotherForumite said:

Snakes_Belly said:

The PPC's are trying to make out that the existing measures in terms of enforcement and amount of charge is currently not a deterrent. 

There may be some chancers who they will never find anyway. For the majority of posters who come onto this forum for help, the transgressions are minor if at all. People who receive claims for parking in a spot where they are entitled to park. Disabled people whose badge has fallen from the windscreen. Fluttering tickets, etc. 

I hope that Robert Jenrick does not fall for this "deterrent" business.  I guess that they were going to fight back we just have to fight harder. 

Notice that South Yorkshire is going into the highest tier. I feel sorry for the people of South Yorkshire and the surrounding area. I hope that they soon rid themselves of the virus.

The there has been some serious mis-reporting on this subject, do not believe everything that you read. The call for empowering a PPC to immobilise a vehicle via the PAS is in relation to persistent evaders only (or chancers as you put it). 

By your own admission there are people that are untraceable, and park with impunity as a result; therefore, the only way to deal with it is to immobilise the vehicle.
To reiterate, no one has asked for a blanket return of wheel clamping; the proposal is to deal with persistent evaders only (those with 3 or more outstanding PCN); which is perfectly reasonable.
There is a back door way to achieve this under current legislation, which will be utilised if necessary; but it is preferable to do things via the new code so that the practice is regulated.

Do you seriously think that anyone will buy into this after years of chasing the easy targets? PPC's have been architects of their own fate. 

AnotherForumite

beamerguy said:

CLAMPING ?  Think about it ....... they wheel clamp a car, they put on a notice giving a phone number to pay the release fee ...VOID OF THE DVLA, VOID OF THE BPA OR IPC ?
This would mean the BPA and IPC will become past history. The DVLA will lose £millions

They don't need to get keeper info from the DVLA because clamping happens on the spot

It's never going to happen

Vehicles WILL be immobilised (and maybe even towed) with or without the PAS (preferably with), I absolutely guarantee it.