Accident advice on motorway roundabout

DoaM

At which point of the roundabout is that photo relating to? Here's a Google Street View link at the junction for Donny itself. As you can see ... both left and right lanes can go round the roundabout towards the A1M South; only the left lane can take the M18 exit without essentially changing lanes (i.e. slipping off into the right lane of the M18). If you were in the right lane of the roundabout then you changed lanes across the front of the other vehicle - your fault.

jordystreet

this is where the road markings are as of the picture that got taken a week ago

jordystreet

the blue car is what I was attempting to do in the right lane

Carrot007

100% OP's fault. Regardless of what the direction on the lane were they moved into the other persons lane. Yes other driver was infuriuating, OP should have got in other lane earlier as is polite or just gone round again. "Ramming" someone out of the way is never right.

DoaM

Please use my Google maps link and adjust it to show the point of impact - that will make it absolutely clear versus spurious photos which provide no context; that photo could be at any point on the roundabout, and shows no road markings at all (other than lane dividers).

Edit - I can see your second photo now ... still your fault. If you step forward another frame (on street view) you can see that the right lane does not feed off to the M18.

Edit 2: this frame is the equivalent of what you've shown. The truck on the right has done what you did, but the truck on the left has filtered into the left lane of the exit. The road layout allows for this but also allows for the right lane of the exit to be used. It also allows for the left lane of the roundabout to continue round. It does not allow for the right lane to filter off into the right lane of the exit with careless abandon.

Edit 3: this view (joining the roundabout from the A1M South exit) makes my point abundantly clear.

You clearly state that the other party collided with your back left/bumper. This means you turned across them - they did not drive into you.

jordystreet

Even tho the road markings state that both lanes are for the m18 and only the right lane is for the a1(m) south?

Car_54

naedanger said:

DoaM said:

OK - you've confirmed what I thought. Your fault as you changed lanes ... the lane you were in does not feed off to that exit - the left lane does (which becomes the right lane of the exit itself; the left lane is the feed from the adjacent exit - A1M South). If the insurers go 50:50 then don't argue it.

Interesting. I would have said red was at fault. However if I was in blue's position I would always be wary to be clear of the car in the red's position (because I am not certain). In red's position I would give way. (Giving way to the car on my right on the roundabout.)

The "give-way to the right" rule (185 in the Highway Code) actually reads "When reaching the roundabout you should give priority to traffic approaching from your right ..."

It does not apply once on the roundabout.

DoaM

jordystreet said:

Even tho the road markings state that both lanes are for the m18 and only the right lane is for the a1(m) south?

Where are those road markings? They must be much further back round the roundabout ... the road markings at the junction itself (i.e. the lane markings/dividers) quite clearly show what I've stated.

bigadaj

But if someone was going a1 south they would have missed the turnoff where the OP was going onto the M18!
OP - How can someone be in that lane if they want A1 south when they have already passed the A1 turning? 

jordystreet

DoaM said:

jordystreet said:

Even tho the road markings state that both lanes are for the m18 and only the right lane is for the a1(m) south?

Where are those road markings? They must be much further back round the roundabout ... the road markings at the junction itself (i.e. the lane markings/dividers) quite clearly show what I've stated.

Here, you can see this leading up to the traffic lights that you can see in the picture, this lane indicates m18 only and the one next to it states m18 and a1(m), judging by what I see I can use both lanes to go onto the m18 slip but only the right hand lane to carry on around the roundabout towards the a1 which is what the third party attempted to do from the m18 only lane