Evans Halshaw - Admin Fee

RichardD1970

sweetsand said:

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

So yes, charging an admin fee of £99 on every car they sell is dishonest.

They, as already pointed out to you, factor in all their operating costs and overheads, to give them a profit, in the screen price of the cars they sell.
Therefore, saying that an extra £99 fee is needed to cover the admin of the sale, is quite frankly dishonest. 

bigadaj

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

so you are saying they are honest? Await the dictionary definition with interest.

sweetsand

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

So you prove, therefore, Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent. 

Please read again the definition as per Collins English dictionary as I kindly posted for you.


What you said is wrong on so many levels, try to claim the dealer is "dishonest" by call them and tell them you have posted that
and then tell me what praise (100% won't happen( they gave you or what else they said to you. Stop digging, mate.
I strongly recommend that as you do not appear to comprehend the explanation I have taken time to give you with a definition of the word "dishonest" from the Collins English dictionary, you call someone dishonest in a pub and see what happens when they are cleanly not "dishonest."
for a dealer, a long established dealer that has poss sold hundreds of thousands of cars to be labelled  "dishonest" for the clearly advertised, advised fee of 99 pounds is wrong at every level.

Grumpy_chap

You stated dishonest meant fraudulent, then posted a dictionary definition that did not support that.

sweetsand

Grumpy_chap said:

You stated dishonest meant fraudulent, then posted a dictionary definition that did not support that.

I stand by what I said, and refer you to my previous post and urge you call EH "dishonest" when you call them tomorrow and report back.
And let me know how you get on in the pub when you call people "dishonest" behind the bar that clearly advertise the prices like EH.
As I am a very helpful poster and you have stayed around for me to return home, I've took a split second to do a Google for you
and they will make it very clear to you and if still in doubt, let me know what EH said.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1RUCY_enGB884GB884&sxsrf=ALeKk03Fe6KmqI4EDHurNsQhmRbvArn2pQ%3A1598380104882&ei=SFhFX5bDNcHQxgPc4ZywBA&q=dishonest+define&oq=dishonest+define&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMggIABAWEAoQHjoFCAAQkQI6CwguEMcBEKMCEJECOgUIABCxAzoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOgQIIxAnOgQIABBDOgoILhDHARCvARBDOgsILhDHARCvARCRAjoHCAAQsQMQQzoOCC4QsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BOgcILhCxAxBDOhEILhCxAxCDARDHARCjAhCTAjoFCC4QsQM6CggAELEDEEYQ-QE6AgguOgQILhAKOgcIABBGEPkBUKLfnQRY-rWeBGDKv54EaABwAHgBgAGKAogBow-SAQU4LjYuMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiWh_jy_bbrAhVBqHEKHdwwB0YQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

Apologies re long link, but I really want to help you.

DoaM

According to Collins, Dishonest and Fraudulent are synonyms. But that's a tenuous link in the context of this thread and what has been said. NOBODY has said EH have been fraudulent - they don't hide that charge; but their actions in adding a £99 admin charge are dishonest on the basis that it bears no resemblance to any cost that they actually incur - any administration costs have already been factored in to the sell price, such costs being fixed costs of salaried people (who are paid regardless of any individual sale). To say it is an admin charge is dishonest - it's not. It's a profit boosting scheme.

Scrapit

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

So you prove, therefore, Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent. 

Please read again the definition as per Collins English dictionary as I kindly posted for you.


What you said is wrong on so many levels, try to claim the dealer is "dishonest" by call them and tell them you have posted that
and then tell me what praise (100% won't happen( they gave you or what else they said to you. Stop digging, mate.
I strongly recommend that as you do not appear to comprehend the explanation I have taken time to give you with a definition of the word "dishonest" from the Collins English dictionary, you call someone dishonest in a pub and see what happens when they are cleanly not "dishonest."
for a dealer, a long established dealer that has poss sold hundreds of thousands of cars to be labelled  "dishonest" for the clearly advertised, advised fee of 99 pounds is wrong at every level.

"stop digging mate"...the irony is strong with this one.

Herzlos

bignred05 said:

I went to view a car yesterday at a local Evans Halshaw 
upon going over the details of a vehicle I was interested in, I was advised of a compulsory £99 admin fee
apparently everyone charges these !!!!! I can't find anything online about this, quite the opposite in fact
I did say I wasn't interested in any sort of warranty or extras, just a straight forward cash/part exchange deal.

is these legal ?

Thanks

Ignoring the troll, the fee is pretty dodgy (they'll claim it's for stuff like the preparation and HPI that they are legally obliged to do anyway), but there are plenty of posters on here who have managed to get them to waive the fee by threatening to walk away.

MinuteNoodles

Grumpy_chap said:

The admin fees are legal.
I don't think it is correct to charge them. 

Their subsiduary Quicks told me what the fees covered, I told them to sod off and refused to pay. Still ended up with the car.

timwalker

Boring now.