Evans Halshaw - Admin Fee

fred246

Just say NO.

Grumpy_chap

fred246 said:

Just say NO.

For once, we agree.

Mercdriver

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Scrapit

sweetsand said:

Scrapit said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

The admin fees are legal.
I don't think it is correct to charge them. 

You don't think its correct to charge them. They run a business and the buyer has the option to either go to one that clearly states it or another that includes it in their best on the road price. Priceless.

Wow, missed the point again didnt you?
The point is there is no reason(zero, nada, zilch) to charge this. There isnt 99 pounds stirling worth of admin to do on a car sale. Ever.

Incredibel! I hope you are not being serious, really. The "zero" you refer to is 99 pounds. The dealer has every right to charge that and that is a fact. The buyer can go elsewhere and that too is as real as it gets. So what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way??  How do you knw the admin fee is not costing that you are just guessing again. Many dealers of used cars do that and if you no like e, go to another, simple as it can get.

I am being totally serious.
How much would it cost me in admin if I were to sell a car, any car, today, to a third party? How much does it cost the average dealership to sell a car in terms of admin?
What you are missing, cos you aren't very well informed (your posts show this), is that there is no admin cost to a cars sales. It is raw profit for those that charge it. If a company charges a price, let's say x pounds, the profit, overheads, cleaning etc etc costs are costed into the price with a profit margin (of what ever size) also being allowed for. For £x. The buyer may negotiate some money off the sale but the amount agreed on will cover all of the above.
A dealer that sells a car for x pounds plus the admin fee (£x+y) is always going to be making money on the admin fee as there is no real cost against it. Each and every car sold like this is y times whatever the amount of cars sold is. For doing nothing but their jobs, ie free money!
There is nothing wrong with it in so far that it isn't illegal (a concept you have trouble with from your other posts) but anyone that supports it isnt a money saving expert, and that's the point of this page.

sweetsand

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

[Deleted User]

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

Irony impaired?
Or just trolling.

Evans Halshaw admin fees are just another reason not to buy from them.

Mercdriver

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

I'm not supporting people.  I am giving my opinion as is my right as much as it is yours.  I would suggest you read as much as you post, thhen part of my point wold not have evaded you.

williamgriffin

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

I don't mean to be rude but do you have Dyslexia?

Mercdriver

EH and others are unbundling part of the cost of doing business:  HPI checks etc as part of the admin fee to make their base price appear cheap.  That is not fraudulent.  It is not necessarily outright dishonest, but it is definitely less than up front, and anti consumer.  They will state that a £7900 + £99 car is cheaper than someone who sells an identically aged mileage and spec car for £7950 elsewhere with no admin fee.  Is that honest?  You answer me.

Grumpy_chap

sweetsand said:

Mercdriver said:

sweetsand said:

Grumpy_chap said:

sweetsand said:

what are you trying to say that you want the 99 pounds charged included in the OTR in a different way?? 

Yes.
The £99 admin fee on cars is entirely dishonest.
It would be like going to the supermarket, getting the basket of shopping and then the shop puts everything through the till and adds a "check-out fee"

"Dishonest" as in fraud by the dealer, surely not my friend as it is clearly there so you either buy or you don't, you get that. 
You saying its "dishonest" do you know what the word means?

Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.  
Have a break from posting and search through the forum.  People have indeed had the £99 admin fee waived.  Not everything you think of as true is fact, and big car selling companies aren't right simply because they make a profit.

One of the reasons car companies charge the admin fee is to beat price promise challenges.  Screen Price £1400 + £99 versus £1499.  They can then argue that their car is cheaper.  It's called unbundling.  Not fraudulent because it is quite legal.  Good consumer practice?  Of course not.  

Seriously! Try again if you wish. I usally let your posts and the couple of others slip as I just have a chukkle at them to but to call the dealer cahrging 99 for admin "dishonest" is going too far.
From the link below and I though you was the other posters supporter, please stop digging.

dishonest

(dɪsɒnɪst  )

ADJECTIVE

If you say that a person or their behaviour is dishonest, you mean that they are not truthful or honest and that you cannot trust them.

You have been dishonest with me. 

It would be dishonest not to present the data as fairly as possible. 

Synonyms: deceitful, corrupt, crooked [informal], designing   More Synonyms of dishonest

dishonestly  ADV
Above from the Collins dictinary.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dishonest

So you prove, therefore, Dishonest is not necessarily the same as fraudulent.