Suggestions for a speculative punt?

Thrugelmir

Anybody have any suggestions for UK micro companies ( <50m) worth taking a look at?  

adindas

Malthusian said:

ZingPowZing said:

To be fair to adindas in what to him must feel like a bit of a pile on, most posters on this board adhere to "top slicing", "rebalancing", "cyclical markets", "reversion to the mean" or other versions of saying "what goes up must go down, or vice versa."

Most posters on this board adhere to "What goes up must go down occasionally but will then carry on going up. And there is no evidence that anyone can consistently guess when it's about to go down and when it's about to start going up again." Which starts off the same but has a very different meaning.

True, noone has a crystal ball. Everybody knows that. Those who do not know this very basic principles should not be getting involved in investing in the first instance. They should stick to Government / Treasury Bonds, saving guaranteed by the government scheme.

But some people could predict whether stocks have more upside than the downside. If the upside is overwhelmingly high than the downside (say 2 to 1). You just need 50% of the prediction right to make a gain.

Malthusian

adindas said:

But some people could predict whether stocks have more upside than the downside. If the upside is overwhelmingly high than the downside (say 2 to 1). You just need 50% of the prediction right to make a gain.

And if you can consistently make returns of 50% over whatever timeframe that is, you could launch a share tips newsletter, and then an investment fund once you've built up the necessary capital, and very quickly become a billionaire.

There is no evidence that such people exist. If they existed, everyone would invest with them. There are a lot of people who have outperformed the market in the past, some of them for over a decade, but that is not the same thing.

Thrugelmir

Malthusian said:

adindas said:

But some people could predict whether stocks have more upside than the downside. If the upside is overwhelmingly high than the downside (say 2 to 1). You just need 50% of the prediction right to make a gain.

And if you can consistently make returns of 50% over whatever timeframe that is, you could launch a share tips newsletter, 

That defeats the object of doing something that few other people have cottoned onto. 

kinger101

adindas said:

Malthusian said:

ZingPowZing said:

To be fair to adindas in what to him must feel like a bit of a pile on, most posters on this board adhere to "top slicing", "rebalancing", "cyclical markets", "reversion to the mean" or other versions of saying "what goes up must go down, or vice versa."

Most posters on this board adhere to "What goes up must go down occasionally but will then carry on going up. And there is no evidence that anyone can consistently guess when it's about to go down and when it's about to start going up again." Which starts off the same but has a very different meaning.

Those who do not know this very basic principles should not be getting involved in investing in the first instance. They should stick to Government / Treasury Bonds, saving guaranteed by the government scheme.

Hardly.  There are millions of people saving for their pension who don't have a clue and don't necessarily need one.  Many of them couldn't explain gilts either for that matter. Their pension scheme has a default relatively low risk option that should select an appropriate balance for most people.

adindas

Malthusian said:

adindas said:

But some people could predict whether stocks have more upside than the downside. If the upside is overwhelmingly high than the downside (say 2 to 1). You just need 50% of the prediction right to make a gain.

And if you can consistently make returns of 50% over whatever timeframe that is, you could launch a share tips newsletter, and then an investment fund once you've built up the necessary capital, and very quickly become a billionaire.

There is no evidence that such people exist. If they existed, everyone would invest with them. There are a lot of people who have outperformed the market in the past, some of them for over a decade, but that is not the same thing.

It is called trying a new thing to get a different result.  As this famous guy is saying

Will this very simple concept  needed to be explained !!!

How many people outthere constantly outperforming the market. Have they all  become a billionaire?. In the past I have posted a link of three friends who documented their journey on you tube . There are few of them share similar stories. But this nothing to suggest all will succeed. Some people have courage to try new thing some people are very risk averse. That is the world we live.

Did you read the topic of this thread ?? It is called " Suggestions for a speculative punt?"

A few people here have consistently outperformed the market. If you are really interested in these topics please read the whole post in this thread.

If you want to stick to your Bond, saving account, Vanguard LifeStrategy Equity Fund VLS60% (or even VLS40) or Target RetiremenFund then stick to it nothing wrong with it. It is your money you are investing anyway..

While I know many people here on are chosing VL80% VLS60% (or even VLS40) I am chosing Vanguard LifeStrategy 100% Equity VLS100% from the beginning before starting investing in individual stock.

I and few people are willing to take more risk but not taking the risk for nothing. Different people have diferent risk tollerance. By the end of the day it is our own money we are trading/investing.

Thrugelmir

adindas said:

Malthusian said:

adindas said:

But some people could predict whether stocks have more upside than the downside. If the upside is overwhelmingly high than the downside (say 2 to 1). You just need 50% of the prediction right to make a gain.

And if you can consistently make returns of 50% over whatever timeframe that is, you could launch a share tips newsletter, and then an investment fund once you've built up the necessary capital, and very quickly become a billionaire.

There is no evidence that such people exist. If they existed, everyone would invest with them. There are a lot of people who have outperformed the market in the past, some of them for over a decade, but that is not the same thing.

It is called trying a new thing to get a different result.  As this famous guy is saying

How many people outthere constantly outperforming the market. Have they all  become a billionaire?.

To make money you need money. Outperforming the market isn't just about becoming a billionaire. Simply beating a gross return of over 5% above inflation consistently year in year out is sufficient for most people. Then as Albert Einstein reputably said

“Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it earns it… he who doesn't… pays it,”

All the heavy lifting is done for you. Over a 40 year time frame the results will be impressive.  Too many people are simply impatient investors searching for instant returns. 

BrockStoker

Probably a curiosity more than anything, but Evolution Blockchain Group Inc. (EVBC) up 10,400% in one day:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/EVBC?p=EVBC

98% fall tomorrow I'm guessing! Either that or 800% gain

Old_Lifer

If anyone is interested, WBI results are out today.    It is one of my 'sleepers' and my other  'African'.    After a  few years of changing direction to concentrate  on forestry and after creating a simplified  share structure  and  last year a financial restructure , I am hoping the company will do well this year. .                 

csgohan4

BrockStoker said:

Probably a curiosity more than anything, but Evolution Blockchain Group Inc. (EVBC) up 10,400% in one day:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/EVBC?p=EVBC

98% fall tomorrow I'm guessing! Either that or 800% gain

how can a stock be valued at 0 USD, is that possible?