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CST letters' forum group thread

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  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,591 Forumite
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    They have added what appears to be an extra unlawful amount of £70 for debt collection. Judges have dismissed an entire claim because of this. Read this and complain to your MP.

    Excel v Wilkinson

    At the Bradford County Court, District Judge Claire Jackson (now HHJ Jackson, a Specialist Civil Circuit Judge) decided to hear a 'test case' a few months ago, where £60 had been added to a parking charge despite Judges up and down the country repeatedly disallowing that sum and warning parking firms not to waste court time with such spurious claims.   That case was Excel v Wilkinson: G4QZ465V, heard in July 2020 and leave to appeal was refused and that route was not pursued.  The Judge concluded that such claims are proceedings with 'an improper collateral purpose'.   This Judge - and others who have since copied her words and struck dozens of cases out in late 2020 and into 2021 - went into significant detail and concluded that parking operators (such as this Claimant) are seeking to circumvent CPR 27.14 as well as breaching the Consumer Rights Act 2015.   DJ Hickinbottom has recently struck more cases out in that court area, stating: ''I find that striking out this claim is the only appropriate manner in which the disapproval of the court can be shown''.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/16qovzulab1szem/G4QZ465V%20Excel%20v%20Wilkinson.pdf?dl=0
    Also read this
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6279348/witness-statements-2-transcripts-re-parking-firms-false-costs-recorder-cohen-qc-judgment-2021/p1

    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • The trouble with CST is they start with a lie 
    No parking ticket ticket is £160

    CST cannot even scam properly ???  
  • So I've already got a thread on PePiPoo, and I'm not going to lie I'm not all to great at all of this (I get my acronym's confused a lot so bear with me) but this seems to be a good place to put CST letters so I thought you guys might be interested.

    I was initially sent an LBC a few months back from Park Direct UK LTD for 18 tickets totaling £2,880.00, for using parking allocated to our block of flats. But to cut a long story short, I responded, got my SAR back, pointed out the fact that I've got my landladies permission to park there, etc. They've also changed their signage since all of this started, and even took a break from issuing tickets here. Strangely I've never received a ticket since, although others have when I've been parked there.

    But now I've received an LBC from CST law, this time for only ten of the tickets, equaling £1600.00 (Please find attached the letter below).




    First off it seems very strange to me that they're after a different amount. Secondly, I'm also somewhat confused that according to the letter CST law have been directed by Park Direct UK, yet on the payment information it states paying Debt Recovery Plus. Not to mention the standard £60.00 fee they love to tack on.

    So basically, I was just wondering what you guys think about this one?
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,369 Forumite
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    As it's a LBC, reply when the first 30 days they give you is nearly up, and ask for the usual 30 day hold for the usual reasons stated in the NEWBIES thread.

    That gets you to New Year which for most people is a better time to handle any claim.

    Don't ask about any other PCNs.
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  • You must respond to the LBC also requesting a further30 days as you are taking debt advice

    Here is the schoolboy error that CST continue to make ....

    They clearly state the ticket numbers and each one being £160.  THAT IS FAKE
    Ask CST for copies of the £160 tickets, there is NO such thing ?

    They clearly state they have been instructed by Park Direct but want you to pay DRP ?
    DRP no longer have anything to do with this so you certainly do not pay DRP.

    Even though you may well have received letters from DRP, they are a non descript party in this especially as DRP offer a "no win no fee" service,. That means that DRP failed to collect from you hence their service was free of charges to the PPC.

    This is the scam you are involved in and if it does go to court, this must be shown to a judge as CST are practicing double recovery which in turn is ABUSE OF PROCESS.
    Judges throw out complete cases because of this deception

    You should also be sending a copy of the letter to the SRA with a complaint of fakery


  • Does anyone have a decent template to send to CST after sending a SAR to the parking company (Park Direct in my case)?

    I'm confused exactly what I should say to them.

    Some additional info re the additional fee - CST Law are saying that the ticket is £160, however, in a debt recovery plus message, they said it was £160, so I assume they 'bought' that debt? Perhaps that somehow 'validates' their £160 claim in court?

    Cheers,

    Teddy


  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,591 Forumite
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    You do not owe them £160, read this

    They have added what appears to be an extra unlawful amount  of £60 for debt collection. This amounts to double recoveryJudges have dismissed an entire claim because of this. Read this and complain to your MP.

    Excel v Wilkinson


    At the Bradford County Court, District Judge Claire Jackson (now HHJ Jackson, a Specialist Civil Circuit Judge) decided to hear a 'test case' a few months ago, where £60 had been added to a parking charge despite Judges up and down the country repeatedly disallowing that sum and warning parking firms not to waste court time with such spurious claims.   That case was Excel v Wilkinson: G4QZ465V, heard in July 2020 and leave to appeal was refused and that route was not pursued.  The Judge concluded that such claims are proceedings with 'an improper collateral purpose'.   This Judge - and others who have since copied her words and struck dozens of cases out in late 2020 and into 2021 - went into significant detail and concluded that parking operators (such as this Claimant) are seeking to circumvent CPR 27.14 as well as breaching the Consumer Rights Act 2015.   DJ Hickinbottom has recently struck more cases out in that court area, stating: ''I find that striking out this claim is the only appropriate manner in which the disapproval of the court can be shown''.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/16qovzulab1szem/G4QZ465V%20Excel%20v%20Wilkinson.pdf?dl=0
    Also read this
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6279348/witness-statements-2-transcripts-re-parking-firms-false-costs-recorder-cohen-qc-judgment-2021/p1

    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,369 Forumite
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    Does anyone have a decent template to send to CST after sending a SAR to the parking company (Park Direct in my case)?

    I'm confused exactly what I should say to them.

    Some additional info re the additional fee - CST Law are saying that the ticket is £160, however, in a debt recovery plus message, they said it was £160, so I assume they 'bought' that debt? Perhaps that somehow 'validates' their £160 claim in court?

    Cheers,

    Teddy


    Please no templates... I already answered you:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/78777350#Comment_78777350
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  • xHarlanx
    xHarlanx Posts: 16 Forumite
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    Hi

    I really hope this reaches the CST Law Letters Forum Group, i'm not very good at using these sites so I may have uploaded this to the wrong place, hopefully not.

    I have read the newbies links after receiving a Letter Before Claim from CST Law on behalf of Smart Parking Ltd and I have therefore sent an SAR to Smart Parking Ltd and also sent an email to CST Law advising them that I have made contact with Smart Parking Ltd with an SAR, both of which I have attached deleting as much private information as possible including anything that these companies could take from the attachment just in case they ever scan these sites as I would rather them not know who and what advising I am seeking. I also did the usual and advised CST Law that I am seeking debt advise so that they should give me no less than 30 days for this.

    Unfortunately I am unable to find both PCN's / NTK's whatever they call them now days so I will be relying on the information sent as a resut of the SAR for these. I am doing this on behalf of my wife and from recollection she entered a car park on two occasions, when both occasions she was unable to pay for a ticket as the machine was not working. She was in a curtesy car at the time as her car was being repaired and the first occasion after trying for 5 or 10 minutes to pay for a ticket dropped some clothes into the Salvation Clothing Bank that is there and then left. The second time again after trying for a while to get a ticket she left the car park and moved it into another car park adjacent. I believe both durations were for about 15 minutes. 

    When I have read previously about these scammers I had always been advised to just ignore them. Unfortunately more recent advise now suggests to respond with various documentation and contact land owner etc which I never did I just always ignored. Now I have read more recent advise on here I have noted I should not ignore a letter before claim and hence my recent actions as described above. Please also note that I have tried to make contact with teh land owner but there is no contact information on the net unfortunately.

    I was hoping someone would be able to advise on anything else I should do and once I have a response with all information provided as a result of the SAR if then I could post on here for further advise in case it does go to court and my (my wifes) defense. I am kind of hoping that the time in the car park does not exceed the grace period and therefore would assume job done and game over?

    I believe the fines were £60 that increased to £100 then £70 on top of that, that I believed was either £70 from debt collector charge or £60 from debt collector charge and £10 CST law admin fee. I believe it was all £70 for debt collector though, maybe CST law have learned their lesson for including these fee's recently?

    Anyway, in hope that this post reached the correct thread and that I am able to get a response and advise from your good selves.


  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,369 Forumite
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    edited 5 January 2022 at 3:09PM
    Of course the industry hasn't learned anything useful about the false £70 except they've got away with that alleged price-fix for a few years and have nearly got it past the Government, too, for the new Code of Practice coming in this year. That's why they are demanding £340 instead of £200.

    Is the Defendant on the letters your wife?

    If it was a courtesy car, did the garage name her as hiring/using it when they first got the PCNs in the post?

    You've done everything right so far but when she gets the claim you will need to start a new Discussion on page one.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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