Payslips whilst on furlough

Hollie84

Hello I’m hoping someone can shed some light for me. I’ve been furloughed at 80% of my wage. I work in a pub so no chance of part time of going back until the gov says so. I’ve been paid for 5 weeks and today I received a payment for only two weeks or so my boss thinks it is. Is this how they are working it. So my 5 weeks pay was from 23rd March until 30th April. Then apparently what I received today is maybe for two weeks? I’ve asked my boss for wage slips and she’s told me HMRC aren’t issuing wage slips for furlough as they’d have 7.5 million to do and can’t?? I’m confused as I’m sure her accountant normally put them together and she prints them off. Just don’t seem to be getting any info from her. Staff are having to message and ask what they’ve been paid for. She doesn’t tell us we’ve bin paid or how many weeks etc it’s for. It’s only a small pub will only 10 staff 

sharpe106

HMRC will not be producing anybodies payslip as they are not personally paying anybody. The employer pays you as normal and then claim it back for the government. Although the money comes from the government they are not putting it into your bank. 

Hollie84

Ok thank you for your reply. Yes my boss is paying me from her personal account not the normal business name it comes from. Unsure if I need to show payslips for anything now how I can prove my earnings. She is waiting for the money to be deposited before paying us. She said she doesn’t have the funds to pay us then claim back 

Jeremy535897

She should be familiar enough by now to make the claim in good enough time to receive the money from HMRC in time to pay you on your usual pay date. She (or her accountant) should run payroll as usual (reduced to whatever pay you agreed, which must be at least 80% of your reference salary) and you should get a payslip as usual. Log on to your personal tax account and see what she says she's been paying you.

Hollie84

Jeremy535897 said:

She should be familiar enough by now to make the claim in good enough time to receive the money from HMRC in time to pay you on your usual pay date. She (or her accountant) should run payroll as usual (reduced to whatever pay you agreed, which must be at least 80% of your reference salary) and you should get a payslip as usual. Log on to your personal tax account and see what she says she's been paying you.

I’ve checked my HMRC app and according to what it’s saying I should of been paid between 9th April and 29th may, would mean I’m £194 short. Something isn’t adding up. I’ve been told the employers know when they are getting the money and then they can know when staff will receive it. She thinks it’s for two weeks pay!! She’s also told another member of staff she hasn’t got the accountants number as she’s had a new phone, they wanted to call him to find out about payments 

Jeremy535897

I suggest you tell her the figures and ask why she has said you have been paid when you haven't.  I don't know if you claim benefits, but if you claim universal credit, errors in reporting wages can affect what you receive.

Hollie84

Jeremy535897 said:

I suggest you tell her the figures and ask why she has said you have been paid when you haven't.  I don't know if you claim benefits, but if you claim universal credit, errors in reporting wages can affect what you receive.

I’ve sent her the screen shot on HMRC, she’s told me she pays me what’s she’s told to pay, she can’t comment on the figures being wrong. She’s also told me I should be grateful I get to stay home with my family whilst she’s trying to keep her business afloat. I do get working tax but I’ve been over my figures from previous and they all match exactly what went in to my bank. Other staff are saying the same. I’ve spoken to my cousin who is an accountant and she’s saying that she is supposed to give the figures to HMRC not the other way around Like she’s made out to us. I’m just under £300 short 
I’m going to try web chat with HMRC tomorrow and tell them I believe she’s being dishonest and not paying us what she’s telling them we’re supposed to be getting per week which is the figure shown on my tax account. And see what happens from there 

Dottydoolay

I just wanted to say well done you, for fighting her.
My furloughed main employer pretty much mirrors you but I’m just over 1k short now according to tax records/weeks on furlough.
I know if I complain now I will just get notice so I’m trying to ride it in the hope payments catch up or I will have no option but to hit that HRMC report button.

Jeremy535897

If you are currently receiving working tax credit, I should mention that if you thought about starting a claim for universal credit, it would stop your tax credit claim forever, and you might receive less as a result.

You have a contract of employment that sets out what you should be paid. That may have been amended when you agreed to be furloughed. I assume you did agree to be furloughed? You said your pay was reduced to 80% of what it was. That is the minimum she can pay you. What she then reclaims from HMRC is her affair, except that she has to pay you all the money she claims in respect of your net wage. She should pay that 80% on the normal pay date. If she doesn't, she is probably making an unlawful deduction from wages.

How much you protest is for you to decide. She doesn't have to furlough you. She could just make you redundant. That might cost her redundancy pay if you have been employed by her for more than two years.

Hollie84

Jeremy535897 said:

If you are currently receiving working tax credit, I should mention that if you thought about starting a claim for universal credit, it would stop your tax credit claim forever, and you might receive less as a result.

You have a contract of employment that sets out what you should be paid. That may have been amended when you agreed to be furloughed. I assume you did agree to be furloughed? You said your pay was reduced to 80% of what it was. That is the minimum she can pay you. What she then reclaims from HMRC is her affair, except that she has to pay you all the money she claims in respect of your net wage. She should pay that 80% on the normal pay date. If she doesn't, she is probably making an unlawful deduction from wages.

How much you protest is for you to decide. She doesn't have to furlough you. She could just make you redundant. That might cost her redundancy pay if you have been employed by her for more than two years.

Thank you. No I won’t make a claim for universal credit. I agreed to be furloughed and signed a form she emailed me. What she’s told HMRC she is paying me weekly That is shown on my tax account is not what I’ve received at all. I’m going to contact the fraud line for furlough tomorrow and go through it with them. She’s told lots of little lies. Doesn’t have accountants number, doesn’t have any idea when she is getting the money to pay us. Told me it’s based on last years salary when in fact it’s not, its based on my last weeks pay before furlough, HMRC give her the figure when in fact that’s not correct.shes only paid everyone two weeks money this month not 4 weeks like it should have been. No pay slips when her accountant is in charge of payroll and should be doing the pay slips. I have set hours which are the same every single week and have been for the year and a half I’ve worked there. All very suspicious that she doesn’t want it down on paper as to how many hours she’s putting and the pay not adding up. She use to do finances at a bank years ago so we know she’s not as stupid as she’s making out. She’s owned that particular business for 15 years and has always been in charge of the finances. Feel robbed and deceived. I won’t let this slide, I have two children and a mortgage to pay
thank you for your help 

Hollie84

Forgot to add we’re normally paid weekly on a Friday. Last pay before today was 30th April which was 5 weeks pay, received today was only 2 weeks pay or so she said she thinks it’s two weeks?? Surely if she’s inputting the RTI then she would know . She’s said she doesn’t Know when she gets the money she has to wait and see when it goes in the bank