Sunday Times Article - One Parking Solution

northcountry

Since my friend has been so distressed, I have been dragged a little way in to the murky world of PPCs in order to support her. What really struck me on looking through the HUGE amount of documentation she has, is the disingenuous photos submitted as evidence to the court - photos taken of the area from long before her 'incident', close up photos of terms and conditions, taken to make them look large and visible, when in reality they are way above head height of an average size person and the t&cis are in tiny writing, photos of the entrance sign facing incoming cars - that is shocking as the photos dated on her phone clearly show the entrance sign twisted and facing inwards. I do not understand how such evidence as OPS submitted to a court of law, can be allowed.  It sounds to me like the first judge saw through the trickery and the appeal judge unfortunately was not au fait with what happens in these cases.  Anyhow, these are things to look out for, for anyone forced to go to court. Everyone here though does sound like they know all these things already.

Snakes_Belly

It sounds as if the car park is a hot spot. I expect the first judge was fed up with seeing claims from this PPC. 

I don't know whether this is a good idea or not but some media coverage of the case might help with the crowdfunding. Daily Mail are very anti-parking companies especially if the car park is a hot spot. I don't know if people get paid for stories. 

There was a story a little while ago of a wounded veteran who had lost both his legs in Afghanistan. His disabled badge was being renewed and he lost his case. I can only think that it must have been on papers. Hopefully from the media coverage he may have had an offer of pro bono from a barrister. He was appealing but I don't know the outcome. 

northcountry

Snakes_Belly said:

There was a story a little while ago of a wounded veteran who had lost both his legs in Afghanistan. His disabled badge was being renewed and he lost his case. I can only think that it must have been on papers. Hopefully from the media coverage he may have had an offer of pro bono from a barrister. He was appealing but I don't know the outcome.

That is appalling! How ever can that be possible.  My friend in this case being discussed, is financially vulnerable, but it sounds like the veteran is vulnerable in more ways than one.  How can that even find its way to court, let alone have an outcome such as that? That is not justice. Very sad indeed.

Umkomaas

northcountry said:

Snakes_Belly said:

There was a story a little while ago of a wounded veteran who had lost both his legs in Afghanistan. His disabled badge was being renewed and he lost his case. I can only think that it must have been on papers. Hopefully from the media coverage he may have had an offer of pro bono from a barrister. He was appealing but I don't know the outcome.

That is appalling! How ever can that be possible.  My friend in this case being discussed, is financially vulnerable, but it sounds like the veteran is vulnerable in more ways than one.  How can that even find its way to court, let alone have an outcome such as that? That is not justice. Very sad indeed.

Another parking firm rejoicing in a three letter acronym of a name - VCS. Read and shake your head in utter despair and disgust!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12845220/war-hero-hauled-court-parking-disabled-bay/ 

95Rollers

Umkomaas said:

northcountry said:

Snakes_Belly said:

There was a story a little while ago of a wounded veteran who had lost both his legs in Afghanistan. His disabled badge was being renewed and he lost his case. I can only think that it must have been on papers. Hopefully from the media coverage he may have had an offer of pro bono from a barrister. He was appealing but I don't know the outcome.

That is appalling! How ever can that be possible.  My friend in this case being discussed, is financially vulnerable, but it sounds like the veteran is vulnerable in more ways than one.  How can that even find its way to court, let alone have an outcome such as that? That is not justice. Very sad indeed.

Another parking firm rejoicing in a three letter acronym of a name - VCS. Read and shake your head in utter despair and disgust!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12845220/war-hero-hauled-court-parking-disabled-bay/ 

Disgusting!!! I'm guessing V.C.S stands for Veteran's Cash Scammers?!?

beamerguy

We all feel for your friend and hope the crowd funding works.

Judge Harvey made the right decision and was over ruled by an HHJ who clearly has failed in understanding the parking scam.  Via email, I have conversed with Mr Harvey a few times, I know others have as well. Mr Harvey is a nice man, only interested in fairness. His boss has failed and that is of great concern. 

Take the Beavis case, Barry won in the High Court and Parking Eye took it to the Supreme Court.
"The Lords" in the Supreme Court made a ruling which created such a huge problem for the county courts which they don't know how to handle 
I mean when you watch the House of Lords on TV, many are fast asleep and when they are awake they are full of waffle ? ... This illness has drifted down to the county courts

Until the court system is updated, judges will still make huge and stupid mistakes 

The parking industry is a scam which our legal system has yet to wake up to.

bargepole

beamerguy said:

Take the Beavis case, Barry won in the High Court and Parking Eye took it to the Supreme Court.

If you're going to comment on the legal system, you need to get your facts straight.

Barry Beavis lost in the County Court, before HHJ Moloney. He appealed, and the case was leapfrogged to the Court of Appeal. It was never heard in the High Court, at any stage. He lost at the COA, and then appealed to the Supreme Court, where their Lordships ruled 6-1 in Parking Eye's favour.

And the House of Lords has had nothing to do with it since 2005, when the Supreme Court was created.

northcountry

beamerguy said:

We all feel for your friend and hope the crowd funding works.

Judge Harvey made the right decision and was over ruled by an HHJ who clearly has failed in understanding the parking scam.  Via email, I have conversed with Mr Harvey a few times, I know others have as well. Mr Harvey is a nice man, only interested in fairness. His boss has failed and that is of great concern. 

Take the Beavis case, Barry won in the High Court and Parking Eye took it to the Supreme Court.
"The Lords" in the Supreme Court made a ruling which created such a huge problem for the county courts which they don't know how to handle 
I mean when you watch the House of Lords on TV, many are fast asleep and when they are awake they are full of waffle ? ... This illness has drifted down to the county courts

Until the court system is updated, judges will still make huge and stupid mistakes 

The parking industry is a scam which our legal system has yet to wake up to.

I don't know too much about the private parking industry, but have learnt quite a bit over the course of the past couple of years. Oddly, even though my friend is between a rock and a hard place with this situation, she doesn't blame the circuit judge and said he appeared to be without the right knowledge and he just believed the smart talking barrister, without considering the facts of the case.  She also said he seemed uncomfortable dishing out that order for just short of £4,000.  Time for a system shake up. How can the Minister of State for Justice know what a regular Joe might come up against and how hard it is to fight their corner?  Some checks and balances are needed.  DDJ Harvey seems fair from what I have heard. A decent human being, making decisions based on findings and law. My friend said it took DDJ Harvey a long time to come up with the his Judgment and he must have considered everything carefully before making his judgment.

beamerguy

bargepole said:

beamerguy said:

Change of subject, I have a youtube video where you appear ..... I'll post it here if you agree

It's many years since I filmed the clip you're talking about, and anything I said then will be well out of date in light of more recent developments and court rulings. So no, I don't agree.

Then I won't. It is however available on youtube anyway
I do however think your comments then, as with Alex, are as good then as they are today

beamerguy

 How can the Minister of State for Justice know what a regular Joe might come up against and how hard it is to fight their corner? 

I know ..... Robert Buckland stormed off "Good Morning Britain" ... he failed to answer questions and when told the interview was over ... he got the hump ??
It's called "A Boris problem"