Bwlegal & UK Parking Patrol LTD Altering Documents please help

Bilbo_Baz

Also what we are saying here is that say BW send a qualified Solicitor to Willesden County Court and the solicitor is charging BW say £180.00 per hour for arguments sake say they bill for 3 hours. more or less
If they lose they then have to pay their solicitor  and defense costs like loss of earnings for a day ECT. plus they lose their court fees to.
If they win they still have to pay the third party solicitor ? not us as we can not get solicitors fees back should we chose to engage one ? as already stated on here 

KeithP

Bilbo_Baz said:

Also what we are saying here is that say BW send a qualified Solicitor to Willesden County Court and the solicitor is charging BW say £180.00 per hour for arguments sake say they bill for 3 hours. more or less
If they lose they then have to pay their solicitor  and defense costs like loss of earnings for a day ECT. plus they lose their court fees to.
If they win they still have to pay the third party solicitor ? not us as we can not get solicitors fees back should we chose to engage one ? as already stated on here 

OK, I can see the question marks, but is there a question there?

Bilbo_Baz

Here it is words of a Judge 
District Judge Robert Hill, a member of the Civil Procedure Rules Committee, wrote a piece in the Law Gazette on Rights of Audience. He explained a case in York Court in 2010 that questioned the right of audience of a legal advocate. In this case he found that the legal advocate was not qualified as a solicitor or barrister, so had no automatic right of audience. He also found that the advocate was self employed. The problem he found with a self-employed advocate is that “there is no employer or disciplinary body to which he can be reported if he were to behave in an inappropriate way”. Courts do have discretionary power to grant right of audience to otherwise unqualified persons on a case by case basis. However, this is does not allow for the strict right of audience rules to be ignored on a general basis.
So would not the self employed part also apply to a qualified self employed person who is not directly  representing the claimant ?
If not why not ? or is this just out of date now 2010

KeithP

Bilbo_Baz said:

So would not the self employed part also apply to a qualified self employed person who is not directly  representing the claimant ?

No.

Bilbo_Baz said:

If not why not ?

Because a 'qualified self employed person' means he has 'disciplinary body to which he can be reported'.

BrownTrout

you should have paid one of those appeals firms to deal with this for you rather then 15 pages on a forum...

beamerguy

Bilbo_Baz said:

Also what we are saying here is that say BW send a qualified Solicitor to Willesden County Court and the solicitor is charging BW say £180.00 per hour for arguments sake say they bill for 3 hours. more or less
If they lose they then have to pay their solicitor  and defense costs like loss of earnings for a day ECT. plus they lose their court fees to.
If they win they still have to pay the third party solicitor ? not us as we can not get solicitors fees back should we chose to engage one ? as already stated on here 

Baz ,,, your daughter should know the answer.

Win or lose, it will cost BWLegal and the PPC.  They are strictly limited in a county court as to the costs they can pass to you.  If BWL wish to employ a legal from another company, it will cost them and in the end the PPC picks up the bill.
The PPC chasing a £100 ticket using one of these legals will be the losers, the fake £60 could make a difference between profit or loss.

Why do they do it ...... to save face especially as BWLegal have such a poor track record in court regarding parking tickets.  They are on a very expensive journey to try and prove their claim is valid and whilst on that journey it costs them a lot of money.

I am sure your daughter would not write such a long WS for less than £100 ? 
There is no profit for these legals, they are point scoring and very expensive at that.  Real solicitors would assume they are daft  

Umkomaas

Bilbo_Baz said:

Also what we are saying here is that say BW send a qualified Solicitor to Willesden County Court and the solicitor is charging BW say £180.00 per hour for arguments sake say they bill for 3 hours. more or less
If they lose they then have to pay their solicitor  and defense costs like loss of earnings for a day ECT. plus they lose their court fees to.
If they win they still have to pay the third party solicitor ? not us as we can not get solicitors fees back should we chose to engage one ? as already stated on here 

Check out the phrase 'Pour encourager les autres'. 

Coupon-mad

The entire Parking Cowboys website is quite badly out of date, which is why we don't signpost people to it...

Bilbo_Baz

Because a 'qualified self employed person' means he has 'disciplinary body to which he can be reported'.
There we go so a good  answer to the Judges online statement out dated as it may be

The entire Parking Cowboys website is quite badly out of date, which is why we don't signpost people to it...
Yes I see that and that's why I got off to such a bad start because I used information on there and in the spirit of no more rants from Mr Angry I thought I would check with you guy's and girl's before I brought it to my daughters attention as I do not  her wasting time so she can concentrate on trying to sort out my attempt to do it first then look at things like this after I have done a little digging.

Shame it does not fly at all though because it would have been a way to make them lose more money which is the key.  Beamerguy also makes good point's .
Not really fair that the Claimant does not need to turn up and can use  a solicitor then they can involve third parties ok they have to be qualified but still if a Judge was commenting on it maybe MP's need to look into this too and make things a little harder in this regard.
 'Pour encourager les autres'. 
Definition of pour encourager les autres. : in order to encourage the others —said ironically of an action (such as an execution) carried out as a warning to others.
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Bilbo_Baz

 'Pour encourager les autres'. 
I see yes I have worked that out in a different way .
This is about getting the word out that if people ignore Parking Invoices they will get a summons so they are prepared to lose some money because in the long run there profits are huge and far out way loses.
The retailers who are already suffering need to look at the death of small independent shops on high roads  who have gone bust because of the stress caused by council parking Wardens when shoppers opt for retail parks because of free parking.