Personal independence payment evidence

poppy12345

ggtazzy said:

Yes I know started the renewal process Feb 29th due a telephone assesment.l am fully aware of the situation with f2f being suspended thanks. 

I'm not sure how i was supposed to know your review process had already started. I gave the advice based on the information you had given at the time. Anyway, good luck with your renewal.

ggtazzy

Poppy12345 I never asked for advice on the renewal process or f2f assessment I just asked about the coronavirus letter my claim is ending it has to be renewed not reviewed. Let me make this clear I have been claiming DLA then PIP for the last fifteen years on my partner's behalf and then for myself the last 3 years I understand how it works having been through countless assessments and appeals with success I might add I only asked for people's opinion on the letter.

sassy_one

Some people just can't handle hearing the truth, they want to hear what they already want to and if you disagree, they go off the rails. 

The letter won't help, as the first hurdle would be that the letter was issued without any examination by a doctor or medical person, just by using a system which has those people identified on it, names and addresses.

Calcotti wasn't rude and again, the fact someone tried to make out they were shows they didn't like the facts.

sassy_one

calcotti said:

Which is why I gave the OP the response I did in my first reply!

Let it go over your head, don't bite.

ggtazzy

Okay again my reason for sending the letter is not to prove how my disability affects me it was in hope of appealing to a decision makers sense of empathy so I suppose the bigger question is does anyone think these decision makers have  any human qualities or are they just robots setup to try and screw you over anyway they can. Also I don't think anyone has gone off the rails and we don't know the absolute truth about what effect the letter might have it's all just speculation as nobody has ever presented one yet till now.

Gig1968

Thankyiu for saying  that ggtazzy I never 'went off the rails as suggested by sassy one . I suggest that he or she refrains from making comments against other people within the forum. 

Spoonie_Turtle

ggtazzy said:

Okay again my reason for sending the letter is not to prove how my disability affects me it was in hope of appealing to a decision makers sense of empathy so I suppose the bigger question is does anyone think these decision makers have  any human qualities or are they just robots setup to try and screw you over anyway they can. Also I don't think anyone has gone off the rails and we don't know the absolute truth about what effect the letter might have it's all just speculation as nobody has ever presented one yet till now.

I think, genuinely, they can't afford to get emotionally involved. Their job is to make decisions according to the law, and if people have difficult lives but don't quite meet high enough scoring descriptors it would be soul-destroying to have to make the decision that they are not entitled. In practice one wonders quite what goes on with DMs, but even if they all did their job perfectly you have consider what that job is to start with. Maybe to protect themselves emotionally perhaps they do only read the assessment reports - which are often flawed - and that may possibly explain how people get the decisions they do (I cannot fathom how Health 'Care' Professionals can write such awful reports though!).

tomtom256

ggtazzy said:

Okay again my reason for sending the letter is not to prove how my disability affects me it was in hope of appealing to a decision makers sense of empathy so I suppose the bigger question is does anyone think these decision makers have  any human qualities or are they just robots setup to try and screw you over anyway they can. Also I don't think anyone has gone off the rails and we don't know the absolute truth about what effect the letter might have it's all just speculation as nobody has ever presented one yet till now.

They certainly are not robots. They have to use the DMG/ADM to make the decisions based on evidence to hand at the time they make the decision. DWP do not always make the evidence easy to access, nor do they kleep everything together.

Do they get it wrong, yes they do, as they are only human.

I can guarantee that a generic letter will hold no sway to a PIP,  DLA or AA review or offer any support/evidence of how you would meet any of the descriptors. I have worked closely with Blackpool/Disability DM's for many years whilst a fraud investigator.

Many DWP staff have themselves received this letter and not all of them claim disability benefits for their condition as they do not meet the descriptors. Are they any less vulnerable owing to COVID19, no.

ggtazzy

Let's face it they get it wrong a lot according to the statistics of people having decisions overturned upon appeal more than humanly possible in my humble opinion.

tomtom256

ggtazzy said:

Let's face it they get it wrong a lot according to the statistics of people having decisions overturned upon appeal more than humanly possible in my humble opinion.

Personally I blame the actual assessors and not the DM's, as the DM's are only as good as the information given to them. But that's a whole seperate topic.