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Defence Advice please CASE STRUCK OUT

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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 155,528 Forumite
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    edited 19 June 2020 at 5:10PM
    covid1956 said:
    Why woud you Google Vine & Kumari, etc., when you are on the forum here and this has been done to death on previous threads?  Just search THIS FORUM for VCS Kumari and VCS Vine.  So easy.   

    There is wording that's been written before but we won't be searching for it!  You can find loads...
    I really appreciate all your help, really sometimes it can be looking like a neadle in a haystack.
    Have found a PDF of Vine on google, have not found it on the forum. will continue to look
    That's odd, I just tested my own advice by popping 'VCS Vine' in as keywords back on the forum page one, and clicking 'search'...and I got 33 pages of results (HUNDREDS OF POSTS) going back years, loads and loads of which cover everything we just can't repeat again now or we will explode!

     pcn is issued by a patrol officer, so should the claimants WS include a written statement from the patrol officer regarding what happened, weather conditions, training, years with company??
    PPCs don't have 'patrol officers'.  Don't give the chancer who ticketed the car that level of respect. 
    But you can raise the lack of first hand witness evidence as an issue, and point out that you are the only true witness.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • covid1956
    covid1956 Posts: 97 Forumite
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    covid1956 said:
    Why woud you Google Vine & Kumari, etc., when you are on the forum here and this has been done to death on previous threads?  Just search THIS FORUM for VCS Kumari and VCS Vine.  So easy.   

    There is wording that's been written before but we won't be searching for it!  You can find loads...
    I really appreciate all your help, really sometimes it can be looking like a neadle in a haystack.
    Have found a PDF of Vine on google, have not found it on the forum. will continue to look
    That's odd, I just tested my own advice by popping 'VCS Vine' in as keywords back on the forum page one, and clicking 'search'...and I got 33 pages of results (HUNDREDS OF POSTS) going back years, loads and loads of which cover everything we just can't repeat again now or we will explode!

     pcn is issued by a patrol officer, so should the claimants WS include a written statement from the patrol officer regarding what happened, weather conditions, training, years with company??
    PPCs don't have 'patrol officers'.  Don't give the chancer who ticketed the car that level of respect. 
    But you can raise the lack of first hand witness evidence as an issue, and point out that you are the only true witness.
    PPCs don't have 'patrol officers'-- They do, 1 page of the Claimants WS has a photo of his/her "report" with a hand drawn sketch of car park stating "all signs in place - overcast" and its headed  PATROL OFFICERS REPORT.
    'VCS Vine' in as keywords back on the forum page one,  will try again, hopefully will get the same result as you
  • Umkomaas
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    They might call them 'Patrol Officer', but that gives them a degree of 'respectability'. Parking Weasel is a more apt description - from a forum point of view!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • covid1956
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    Umkomaas said:
    They might call them 'Patrol Officer', but that gives them a degree of 'respectability'. Parking Weasel is a more apt description - from a forum point of view!
    I AGREE Are they paid a bonus per ticket issued? wonder if they have targets mmm if they do is that unlawfull?
    Covid
  • Umkomaas
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    covid1956 said:
    Umkomaas said:
    They might call them 'Patrol Officer', but that gives them a degree of 'respectability'. Parking Weasel is a more apt description - from a forum point of view!
    I AGREE Are they paid a bonus per ticket issued? wonder if they have targets mmm if they do is that unlawfull?
    Covid
    Not unlawful, it should fly in the face of operating requirements - it was made clear to ATAs and PPCs (by DVLA?) some years ago. But as we all know there are many ways to skin a pig cat. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 20 June 2020 at 12:13AM
    They do not have staff worthy of being called a Patrol Officer.  They make it up to make it look like a real PCN.  Sounds like you are still believing too much of what they've put.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • covid1956
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    They do not have staff worthy of being called a Patrol Officer.  They make it up to make it look like a real PCN.  Sounds like you are still believing too much of what they've put.
    Lets hope the judge is wise to their games. I find it very difficult to unwind after i have been busy researching my WS it preys on my mind, i even had a dream about it last night. not good, think a bottle of red had something to do with it.
    But seriously it does worry me, I am trying to stay positive and realise these scum are very good at scare tactics
    Covid
  • D_P_Dance
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    I prefer the term "parking weasel".
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • covid1956
    covid1956 Posts: 97 Forumite
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    OK guys, whats the general opinion when submitting WS to the court and the Parking Weasels.
    I was going to send both by email with the Parking Company cc,d on the email as you get an automatic reciept/reply from the court as confirmation,  Yes/No
    The reason i ask is the Claimants WS states on the bottom "all correspondence to the Litigation Dept" and then their address.
    Advice please
    thanks Covid
  • Le_Kirk
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    There should be an address for service of documents on the original court claim form.
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