Corona-virus - How worried are you?

50Twuncle

John.lLewis is closing down for the foreseeable future

little_green

extremely worried 

Mrsn

Right now.... terrified.

I’m only 36 so you think ok that’s ok except I have had inflammatory bowel disease for the last 12 years and my immune system is in constant overdrive because of this. I also work in a school and most half terms I spend the week recovering from some sort of infection.

My 6 year old has a cough and a temperature of 38.2, she’s eating and drinking and just chilling on the sofa. She’s poorly and wants comforting and despite every part of me saying that in the house we need to be spread apart I’m her mummy and she needs me. 

tenchy

Read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
There was no global panic, mass hysteria and trashing the world economy then, so why now? 

Pollycat

I'm not worried for me or for my immediate (small) family.

Me & OH are well, no health issues.

My much younger sister is well & healthy as are her 2 kids.

Mum is in a care home so not a lot I can do for her.

My cupboards & freezer are well stocked (they always are).

A couple of friends do have asthma so I have concern for them.

I'm concerned for all the people at risk of catching the disease and worse.

I'm concerned for all the people working extra hard to keep things going - from NHS staff to supermarket workers.

I'm concerned about the people whose businesses are at risk (one of my friends is included here).

I'm concerned at what's going to be left when we come out of the other side of this.

olgadapolga

Mrsn said:

Right now.... terrified.

I’m only 36 so you think ok that’s ok except I have had inflammatory bowel disease for the last 12 years and my immune system is in constant overdrive because of this. I also work in a school and most half terms I spend the week recovering from some sort of infection.

My 6 year old has a cough and a temperature of 38.2, she’s eating and drinking and just chilling on the sofa. She’s poorly and wants comforting and despite every part of me saying that in the house we need to be spread apart I’m her mummy and she needs me. 

I have an auto-immune disorder and yes, I'm worried.

I, too, have a young daughter (she's 7). 

I understand your fear but you have to be practical about things. If you're in a house together then you are probably going to catch whatever your daughter has. It's pretty well inevitable, based on my experience of 20 years as a parent. It may not be Covid-19. My teenage son has had a cold with a cough for the last two weeks. He tends to stay away from anyone when he has a bug as he knows that I'm immuno-supressed and he hides in his room. His sister, brother and dad got the bug (although to a lesser extent) just through sharing a house.  

I am not suggesting that you do anything other than what you feel is right for you and your family, but if it was me, I'd be comforting my child

MoneySeeker1

Pyxis said:

50Twuncle said:

Beatricebrooke21 said:

This not normal. Everyone is panicking. You need to have a list of needed products to buy.

And what do you do if you can't buy something ?

Look for a substitute, natch. That’s not the problem, is it? It’s the total over the top buying, which I can understand in the case of people going into lockdown, and needing 12 weeks supplies as they won’t be able to go out, for health reasons, etc. But if it’s to make a fast buck it’s unforgivable, amoral, and verging on criminal.

That's for sure - re people that try and profit from this. The other thing I saw somewhere is some empty-headed young women have been stockpiling the hand sterilising stuff by buying loads of dinky little bottles in different colours - just to be a sort of "art collection". Ooooh dear - that is naughty (to say the least).

Another thing I noticed was that I bought some food in a shop I sometimes go too and it's small/individual/etc enough that it still has price labels on food items. So I got my various items I wanted and then got home and spotted the prices on the two cans of (organic - as that's what I buy) canned tomatoes. Those price tags said £1.99 each (no that isnt a typing error!). I was gobsmacked and hadnt realised at the time (with it being in with my other shopping) - but that is outrageous and I thought "I know I darn well get charged the organic price premium on a lot of what I buy - and so I'm (reluctantly) used to having to pay extra for my food. But that can't be the "real" price they normally sell canned organic tomatoes at". Cue for me doing a bit of checking elsewhere and the price was a lot lower. Dear little local shop - guess what? You reap what you sow and guess who won't be using you again "afterwards". Profiteering is the word I would use for that. My normal place for getting similar tins (albeit different brand) is 99p per tin - not £1.99.

tenchy

Pollycat said:

richc1981 said:

tenchy said:

Read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
There was no global panic, mass hysteria and trashing the world economy then, so why now? 

Tenchy,

I’ll keep it brief:-

1. Flu mortality is around 0.1%.  Covid mortality is 1%+, so ten times higher
2. Covid is twice as contagious as flu, so epidemic travels much quicker
3. 1 in 5 people with Covid are hospitalised.  Of this half will end up in intensive care.  Flue hospitalisation rates are 1 in 100
4. Because of the rapid rate of transmission and high rate of hospitalisation, our health service will become overwhelmed very quickly.  
5. If the health service is overwhelmed, mortality rate will increase as people won’t get the treatment they need.   Other people with none Covid illnesses will die as a result.

This is serious and warrants a serious response.  I hope I’ve been able to answer your question.

If your still not sure take a look at a video of a healthcare system on the brink of collapse

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

That’s Bergamo in Italy.  They have twice as many intensive care beds per person than the UK.

Stay safe.

RD

Re the bit in bold - I'm not saying it's not true but it sounds incredibly high. 

There seems to be some data suggesting that 80% of infections are mild, 15% serious and 5% critical, so maybe that's where the 1 in 5 comes from. However, the big problem with the five points noted above is the mortality rate claim. This varies widely between countries; very low in Germany and Scandinavia, while much higher in Italy. But the major problem with any of these figures is the infection rate. We are told by "experts" that it is likely to be much higher than currently reported. As testing increases, the number of positives will increase and the mortality rate will almost certainly decrease as a result. Put another way, we don't know what the mortality rate is. It could even be less than seasonal flu.


The hysteria continues. It's been mentioned in a number of places that the global panic-demic is more dangerous than the virus. I reckon that's about right.

50Twuncle

But why is Italy getting hit so badly ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/dj3jonuhi1/coronavirus-year-of-the-mask

richc1981

tenchy said:

Pollycat said:

richc1981 said:

tenchy said:

Read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
There was no global panic, mass hysteria and trashing the world economy then, so why now? 

Tenchy,

I’ll keep it brief:-

1. Flu mortality is around 0.1%.  Covid mortality is 1%+, so ten times higher
2. Covid is twice as contagious as flu, so epidemic travels much quicker
3. 1 in 5 people with Covid are hospitalised.  Of this half will end up in intensive care.  Flue hospitalisation rates are 1 in 100
4. Because of the rapid rate of transmission and high rate of hospitalisation, our health service will become overwhelmed very quickly.  
5. If the health service is overwhelmed, mortality rate will increase as people won’t get the treatment they need.   Other people with none Covid illnesses will die as a result.

This is serious and warrants a serious response.  I hope I’ve been able to answer your question.

If your still not sure take a look at a video of a healthcare system on the brink of collapse

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

That’s Bergamo in Italy.  They have twice as many intensive care beds per person than the UK.

Stay safe.

RD

Re the bit in bold - I'm not saying it's not true but it sounds incredibly high. 

There seems to be some data suggesting that 80% of infections are mild, 15% serious and 5% critical, so maybe that's where the 1 in 5 comes from. However, the big problem with the five points noted above is the mortality rate claim. This varies widely between countries; very low in Germany and Scandinavia, while much higher in Italy. But the major problem with any of these figures is the infection rate. We are told by "experts" that it is likely to be much higher than currently reported. As testing increases, the number of positives will increase and the mortality rate will almost certainly decrease as a result. Put another way, we don't know what the mortality rate is. It could even be less than seasonal flu.


The hysteria continues. It's been mentioned in a number of places that the global panic-demic is more dangerous than the virus. I reckon that's about right.

Yes there is uncertainty over mortality rate, but there is a balance of expert opinion that’s it’s some way over flu.   In China where they have done much more testing it’s around 2.5%, so 25x flu.   It’s not even particularly relevant:  just look at what’s happening in Italian hospitals as a result of allowing community transmission.  Regardless of any scepticism you may have regarding expert advice: that is not normal.

I’m not seeing mass panic or hysteria, just a nation who is trying to deal with uncertainty fuelled by the mixed messages and slow decision making from a government who have had weeks to prepare.  

I believe the greatest risk in the UK is the health service being overwhelmed due to people downplaying or not taking guidance seriously, or the government failing to take sufficient measures quickly to lockdown the country and slow the spread.