New "Have a Look at This" thread

lincroft1710

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

lincroft1710 said:

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

lincroft1710 said:

SadieO said:

lincroft1710 said:

SadieO said:

A grand a month to live in someone's shed, anyone? I'd say "that should be illegal" but if it doesn't have permission to be used as a residence then it may well already be... 

The listing has now been removed by the agent

It's been relisted with another agent. I wonder if the first one dropped it out of shame?! The new agents have conveniently forgotten to add pictures of the outside that shows it's a shed. It's really no wonder sometimes that landlords and letting/estate agents get a bad name. (I know they're not all bad! But these ones are!)

And gives you no information about the accom apart from 4 photos. Also council tax should not be included in the rent, it's the tenant's responsibility

Council tax.  I'm sure it is the tenant's responsibility, in theory, but that would be reliant on the annex having planning permission to exist as a separate dwelling, the garden and building being put on a new title with the Land Registry, sign-off from building control, a new address being assigned and so on.  Has that happened?  Dream on, as Aerosmith once sang...  

What the authorities don't know can't hurt them, so it's probably easier if the landlord swallows the council tax and stays schtum.  

Sorry but you are incorrect


There is no need for pp for a separate dwelling for that dwelling to have its own CT band. I'm ex VOA and have dealt with many annexes. In most annex cases the pp did not allow the annex to be sold separately from the main house, but the annex was still correctly given its own CT band. In fact annexes no longer have to be completely self contained to be given their own band. Unusually there are 2 separate pieces of CT legislation  which allow an annex to have its own CT band


I think you are the one who will have to "Dream On"

An annexe can have a separate council tax banding, but that relies on the structure meeting the definition of an 'annexe'.  The listing being discussed is a separate building with independent access and facilities, offered to let on the open market on an AST.  There is no suggestion that it will be occupied by a family member of the householder of the main property, nor that the tenant will have any access to the house proper.  As such it is functioning as a separate dwelling and, as you say, ought to be paying council tax as a separate dwelling.  The fact that it isn't indicates the authority haven't been appraised of what is actually going on there.  To my mind it fails to fulfil various criteria applicable to an annexe or granny flat.   

The fact it would be let on an AST to a non family member, reinforces the fact that it should be separately banded. From memory there is no legal definition of the term "annex". Although at one time to qualify as a separate dwelling (dwelling is the term used in CT legislation) for CT purposes an annex had to be fully self contained, that is no longer the case. There was a thread on (I think) the CT boards where a house was divided into 4 or 5 bedsits each with its own en suite, but sharing the kitchen, each bedsit correctly had its own CT band. 


It is possible that pp has not been applied for, or if it has, then the banding process is taking time to work through the system 

lincroft1710

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

lincroft1710 said:

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

lincroft1710 said:

SadieO said:

lincroft1710 said:

SadieO said:

A grand a month to live in someone's shed, anyone? I'd say "that should be illegal" but if it doesn't have permission to be used as a residence then it may well already be... 

The listing has now been removed by the agent

It's been relisted with another agent. I wonder if the first one dropped it out of shame?! The new agents have conveniently forgotten to add pictures of the outside that shows it's a shed. It's really no wonder sometimes that landlords and letting/estate agents get a bad name. (I know they're not all bad! But these ones are!)

And gives you no information about the accom apart from 4 photos. Also council tax should not be included in the rent, it's the tenant's responsibility

Council tax.  I'm sure it is the tenant's responsibility, in theory, but that would be reliant on the annex having planning permission to exist as a separate dwelling, the garden and building being put on a new title with the Land Registry, sign-off from building control, a new address being assigned and so on.  Has that happened?  Dream on, as Aerosmith once sang...  

What the authorities don't know can't hurt them, so it's probably easier if the landlord swallows the council tax and stays schtum.  

Sorry but you are incorrect


There is no need for pp for a separate dwelling for that dwelling to have its own CT band. I'm ex VOA and have dealt with many annexes. In most annex cases the pp did not allow the annex to be sold separately from the main house, but the annex was still correctly given its own CT band. In fact annexes no longer have to be completely self contained to be given their own band. Unusually there are 2 separate pieces of CT legislation  which allow an annex to have its own CT band


I think you are the one who will have to "Dream On"

The other option, of course, is for the landlord to declare the tenant as a 'lodger', again dubious but people do it.  A lodger wouldn't pay council tax.  

It is not "dubious", it is CT fraud

Ditzy_Mitzy

lincroft1710 said:

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

lincroft1710 said:

Ditzy_Mitzy said:

lincroft1710 said:

SadieO said:

lincroft1710 said:

SadieO said:

A grand a month to live in someone's shed, anyone? I'd say "that should be illegal" but if it doesn't have permission to be used as a residence then it may well already be... 

The listing has now been removed by the agent

It's been relisted with another agent. I wonder if the first one dropped it out of shame?! The new agents have conveniently forgotten to add pictures of the outside that shows it's a shed. It's really no wonder sometimes that landlords and letting/estate agents get a bad name. (I know they're not all bad! But these ones are!)

And gives you no information about the accom apart from 4 photos. Also council tax should not be included in the rent, it's the tenant's responsibility

Council tax.  I'm sure it is the tenant's responsibility, in theory, but that would be reliant on the annex having planning permission to exist as a separate dwelling, the garden and building being put on a new title with the Land Registry, sign-off from building control, a new address being assigned and so on.  Has that happened?  Dream on, as Aerosmith once sang...  

What the authorities don't know can't hurt them, so it's probably easier if the landlord swallows the council tax and stays schtum.  

Sorry but you are incorrect


There is no need for pp for a separate dwelling for that dwelling to have its own CT band. I'm ex VOA and have dealt with many annexes. In most annex cases the pp did not allow the annex to be sold separately from the main house, but the annex was still correctly given its own CT band. In fact annexes no longer have to be completely self contained to be given their own band. Unusually there are 2 separate pieces of CT legislation  which allow an annex to have its own CT band


I think you are the one who will have to "Dream On"

The other option, of course, is for the landlord to declare the tenant as a 'lodger', again dubious but people do it.  A lodger wouldn't pay council tax.  

It is not "dubious", it is CT fraud

I know, but I'm an habitual mincer of words...  

ProDave

I suspect most of these "beds in sheds" don't have planning permission.  Some of them will have a certificate of lawful development, which just means they got away with it un noticed for long enough that the the breach of planning rules could no longer be enforced.

I always understood an annex is where the occupier shares some facilities with the main house, e.g they may use the main house kitchen.  A wholey self contained unit that has it's own kitchen and bathroom and does not need to use anything in the main house, is not an annex, so as already mentioned should pay it's own council tax.

How that sits with a council who don't want these sheds in beds but can't enforce their removal because they got away with it long enough is an interesting matter.  If they accept it and give the shed it's own CT entry then they open the door to a subsequent planning application for a proper house on the site.  So they possible just ignore the CT they could be collecting to prevent that?

Misslayed

Please stay on topic people

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Some fancy render next door. 

Dandie89

Start warming up the asses' milk  

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/133093250

FreeBear

Dandie89 said:

Start warming up the asses' milk  

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/133093250

Brave blue bathroom suite, and not a hint of grey anywhere in the house - Could be a nice home for someone.

kipperman

Fascinating history to this but always sensible to use a 10 year old to come up with the artists impression.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/130129268#/?channel=COM_BUY

Sarahspangles

kipperman said:

Fascinating history to this but always sensible to use a 10 year old to come up with the artists impression.
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/130129268#/?channel=COM_BUY

If only the King of Thailand had been able to afford a camera.