To all those on this forum that says speed doesn't kill

Ergates

Scrapit wrote: »

When the point went over your head?

No, the one that you responded to in a manner that indicated you really didn't understand it.

Arklight

Johno100 wrote: »

Yet The Netherlands still has more vehicles per capita than the UK.



And where is the space going to come from for these dedicated cycle paths/lanes? Are you volunteering to have your home, place of work or local green space bulldozed to make room?

I don't think anyone's house got bulldozed in the Netherlands to paint a cycle path. There isn't space on British roads for cycle paths because there are too many cars. There are too many cars because no one cyles. No one cycles because there are no cycle paths...

Scrapit

Ergates wrote: »

No, the one that you responded to in a manner that indicated you really didn't understand it.

Why on earth would you think that?:rotfl:

caprikid1

AdrianC wrote: »

And what non-"petrolheads" fail to understand is that NOBODY drives in urban areas for enjoyment. It simply isn't possible.

The inconsiderate driving you see frequently in urban areas isn't from "petrolheads" trying to enjoy their driving or enjoy their car - it's simply from the terminally impatient and the terminally wuckfitted.

I have to disagree, driving in urban environments can be fun, you can use it as an opportunity to perfect your driving skills, IE aiming wheels at sligh imperfections in the road to see if you are accurate with where your wheels are.


Of course if you drive something like a classic mini, 30mph bends / roundabouts can be lots of fun. The problem is Modern performance cars require such high speed to have fun.

Ergates

Scrapit wrote: »

Why on earth would you think that?:rotfl:

Because I said:

Ergates wrote: »

And it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end. Technically true, but largely meaningless.

and you responded:

Scrapit wrote: »

Absolutely wrong.
A fall will always kill. Speed more than certainly doesnt. It's a simple fact.

Which is totally missing the point. My quote isn't about the relative lethality of falling, it's about semantic arguments.

onomatopoeia99

Arklight wrote: »

You go slow and accept the journey, and tend not to have some twit 2 cm away from your rear bumper leaning on his horn with his face turning beetroot.

The only person I've ever had 2cm from my bumper leaning on their horn (and gesticulating wildly in my rear view mirror) was a woman of about 70 with the blue rinse and perm to end all blue rinses and perms.. She seemed incandescent that I would not enter a yellow cross hatched part of a signal controlled roundabout when the exit wasn't clear due to a red light ahead with traffic queued up at it, and in the end overtook me on the roundabout and end up stopped about 20 yards ahead, in the cross hatching, because the cars queing for the traffic light were still here and she was now blocking people wanting to enter the roundabout.

If she hadn't been such an idiot and danger to other traffic, it would have been funny.

almillar

Do 70mph in a Boeing 747 and it'll fall out of the sky. Speed saves!

Seriously. Air travel is the fastest and safest form of transport.
Motorways are the fastest and safest form of road transport.

INAPPROPRIATE speed kills.

SPEEDING kills. (Speeding is driving above the speed limit, or too fast for road conditions). Can we settle on that?

And I'm pretty sure inattention is actually the biggest recorded cause of RTAs in the UK. Excess speed is in there but not the biggest cause.

Shaun_of_the_Dead

almillar wrote: »

Do 70mph in a Boeing 747 and it'll fall out of the sky. Speed saves!

Seriously. Air travel is the fastest and safest form of transport.
Motorways are the fastest and safest form of road transport.

INAPPROPRIATE speed kills.

SPEEDING kills. (Speeding is driving above the speed limit, or too fast for road conditions). Can we settle on that?

And I'm pretty sure inattention is actually the biggest recorded cause of RTAs in the UK. Excess speed is in there but not the biggest cause.

But unless there has been a serious injury or death there is no evidence of excess speed only opinions.

AdrianC

Shaun_of_the_Dead wrote: »

But unless there has been a serious injury or death there is no evidence of excess speed only opinions.

So it's not possible to determine the cause of a collision if nobody's injured, only if they are?

Belenus

AdrianC wrote: »

It is, of course, a total red herring that it's road safety that's stopped kids playing outside. They don't play in gardens or parks, either, like they used to... because they're online, watching videos, playing computer games etc. They simply have other diversions available that they prefer.

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