County Court Claim - Gladstones solicitors

Johnersh

OK. First things first. Take this down *NOW*

Your full name, address, reg details etc have been posted unsecured into an open Internet forum.  You need to redact that info (and only that). If you're unable, best take it all down. 

Johnersh

Perimeter signage as at Jun 2019 - https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4643237,-0.1689999,3a,75y,217.74h,73.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3B6hEclgeAt2pZJ92AjmDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192  Not great.  Not clearly a UKCPM site at all.

I don't believe for one moment that the "contract" will stand up.  Reference to the site singular, but governing multiple sites, with "varies" given as the contractual terms.  The parties to the contract and signatories are redacted, but i'd be amazed if a primary school in a separate part of the country was owned and/or managed by the same entity as a commercial shop at a train station, much less contract on the same date.

It seems most likely that these are all JustPark sites and it is they who have contracted with UKCPM.  The witness statement describes it as a landowner agreement, which may well be incorrect.

Lots of legal argument in the statement. very little fact.  That's not what a witness statement is really for.  There's at least a suggestion from the link Coupon posted that these were new terms in Dec 2018.  If that is the case, then there should have been additional signs to bring the changes to the attention of visitors.  That's a factual point, so no idea what you say about that, but certainly the statement they serve doesn't say anything at all.

memphis73

I’ve removed it for now at least. If anyone wants to take a look please let me know and I can DM the documents? 

nosferatu1001

Just show us the contract maybe?

as pointed out if it's been redacted, then the court must be made aware that it's not allowed. 

memphis73

Thankyou Nosferatu1001 and others -

Here we are - Gladstones WS redacted.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cc_lQEWI5Is5Pk_ry85-HxEDDCJRPCkV/view?usp=sharing

and

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KEhWJ-UFOTYeh86CIdDGfpTsdlFsBfWW/view?usp=sharing

Le_Kirk

You've left your vehicle reg displayed for all to see!

Castle

Johnersh said:

Perimeter signage as at Jun 2019 - https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4643237,-0.1689999,3a,75y,217.74h,73.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3B6hEclgeAt2pZJ92AjmDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192  Not great.  Not clearly a UKCPM site at all.

There is a very large "JustPark" sign entitled "ShopStop @ Clapham Junction" at the car park entrance, (and the one you can see on the wall just inside the entrance when the vehicle enters), which they don't mentioned at all on their aerial plan, which refers to paying at the kiosk by the car park entrance.

There are no photos of any signs in situ, and there's no mention and no photos of any tariffs board, which can be clearly seen on the Google map.

The Google map at March 2018 still shows the "Double Arrows" for British Railway, which would suggest that it's not relevant land.

Castle

According to these comments there's a 10 minute drop off/pick up allowance:-
https://nappyvalleynet.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=100777

(I see the OP has already posted here.)

Castle

Even their own website states there's a 10 minute "Drop off and pick-up" period; and it also confirms that it's "pay on foot":-
Parking | Shop Stop Clapham Junction Station
(I wonder how the claimant's witness missed that!)

memphis73

Castle said:

Even their own website states there's a 10 minute "Drop off and pick-up" period; and it also confirms that it's "pay on foot":-
Parking | Shop Stop Clapham Junction Station
(I wonder how the claimant's witness missed that!)

This is particularly useful given that their ANPR shows I arrived at 4.03pm and left and 4.16pm. 

13 minutes in total. 

How much of that 13 minutes was actually spent “parked”? 

How long did I take to find a space, and then negotiate exiting the car park? 

Did I actually park? For more than ten minutes?