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Grumpy_chap

Martyn1981 said:

The problem with benefit of Cali having a higher standard is that it forces companies to produce cleaner cars to raise their fleet standard as they can't risk losing Cali sales (about 10% of the US), nor afford to build to two separate standards. 

Hopefully I fixed that...

Martyn1981

Grumpy_chap said:

Martyn1981 said:

The problem with benefit of Cali having a higher standard is that it forces companies to produce cleaner cars to raise their fleet standard as they can't risk losing Cali sales (about 10% of the US), nor afford to build to two separate standards. 

Hopefully I fixed that...

Thanks yes. It was meant to be sarcastically the 'problem' for Trump etc, but it sort of got lost in my waffle.

In reality the real 'problem' in America for BEV's is the low price of petrol, and emissions rules that weirdly lessen for vehicles with a larger footprint and weight. So it's hardly surprising that folk are slower to move to BEV's when the  monetary benefits are less. Ironically they may be the fastest to enter the ICE Age, and the slowest to leave it ....... sorry, did someone shout Russia?  

Martyn1981

I suppose it goes without saying now that Norway will have massive BEV/PEV sales, but in my defence, it's such a fun pie chart to see.
And the rapid rise isn't over. Whilst the overal figure for BEV's in 2021 so far is ~64%, the trailing 3 month figure is ~74%. The article suggests a trend line leading to ~90% BEV's for Dec 2022. Wow!

Norway Again Over 90% Plugin EV Share In November – Legacy ICE At Record Low 5%

Norway, the world’s leading market in the electric vehicle transition, saw plugins take 91.2% share in November, up from 79.9% a year ago. Non-hybridized combustion vehicles saw a record low of under 5.1% share in November, with Petrol at just 2.3% share. The overall auto market saw 15,274 new registrations, up 24% over pre-pandemic seasonal norms, suggesting that folks are actively defecting from combustion vehicles to electrics at higher rates than the background replacement rate of the past. Prioritizing the Norwegian market, Tesla took the top 2 spots in November.

shinytop

Martyn1981 said:

One of the reasons Cali is ahead is because they decided to set their own emissions standards for vehicles and fleet sales about 50 yrs ago. Their right to do this was rubber stamped by the President every 6 months until Trump took charge. The problem with Cali having a higher standard is that it forces companies to produce cleaner cars to raise their fleet standard as they can't risk losing Cali sales (about 10% of the US), nor afford to build to two separate standards. Trump spotted this when he decided to reduce the CAFE (corporate average fuel efficiency) targets.

Yup that killed off 2 stroke motorcycles in the mid-70s. Now they were polluting. 

silverwhistle

JKenH said:

By ‘government officials’ I was intending to include those from the PM down who are involved in writing strategic plans, green papers white papers etc  to formulate and implement policy. So include MPs, civil servants, special advisers. So can we agree to agree (for once😀)?

No problem. Normal parlance distinguishes between politicians and civil servants and your language seemed to refer to the latter. Admittedly the more recent arrival of mates being given positions as state paid but unvetted SPADs has rather muddied the waters..

JKenH

InstaVolt responds to raising its EV charging tariff

From December 1st, 2021, charging network InstaVolt has announced it will be increasing its tariff costs from 40p per kWh to 45p per kWh. In a statement, the company has blamed continuous rising costs of wholesale energy affecting consumers and businesses in the UK.

https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/latest-news/instavolt-responds-to-raising-its-ev-charging-tariff/

I found this out when I topped up yesterday. Now 14p/mile to go electric £4.22/9.44kWh.



Following on from my earlier post about cold weather performance, I drive the first 22 miles of my trip from home to Powys yesterday without heating or aircon on. (8C outside temp.) I started off with 9C average battery temperature. After 2 miles I had averaged 2.6 mpk and this very slowly increased to 3.5 after 16 miles then levelled off. My wife was getting cold by this stage despite putting the heated seat on at 16 miles so the heating went on at 22 miles. By the time we had done 50 miles (last 10 on motorway at 60 it was up to 3.7. After a charge it went up to 3.8 (battery temp 26C) and after 150 miles it was 3.9.

That confirms what I thought that the Leaf is very inefficient at the start of a journey in cold weather. 

Martyn1981

shinytop said:

Martyn1981 said:

One of the reasons Cali is ahead is because they decided to set their own emissions standards for vehicles and fleet sales about 50 yrs ago. Their right to do this was rubber stamped by the President every 6 months until Trump took charge. The problem with Cali having a higher standard is that it forces companies to produce cleaner cars to raise their fleet standard as they can't risk losing Cali sales (about 10% of the US), nor afford to build to two separate standards. Trump spotted this when he decided to reduce the CAFE (corporate average fuel efficiency) targets.

Yup that killed off 2 stroke motorcycles in the mid-70s. Now they were polluting. 

Absolutely, and the great news in Asia and Africa is that BEV two (and three) wheelers are doing really well. It's also a technology that works perfectly with battery swopping. I've been staggered watching vids of vehicles stopping near a battery swap station (looks like a wall of post boxes), they pull out their battery with one hand, plug it in an empty slow, and then remove a battery that displays it's charged. Fantasic ...... possibly perfect?

And speaking of Cali and two strokes, they've just passed a law to ban all ICE gardening tools, such as small to large lawnmowers, leaf blowers etc etc.. I posted this vid a month or so back. I actually didn't watch and post it at first as it sounded a bit boring, but in other vids they said it was one of their best, but least watched. When I watched it I was absolutely mind blown as to the staggering scale of emissions from these tools, and how the battery versions are so much cheaper to operate. In fact, if the channel have got the numbers right, then this move isn't punitive at all, since it will save gardening firms a fortune, and improve the working environment for their staff too.

A Breath of Fresh Air | In Depth

JKenH

I’ve been using Stihl battery powered hedge trimmers for a while replacing my 2 stroke gear. I miss the smell but in every other respect they are great. What I don’t miss is the temperamental starting behaviour of 2 strokes.

I still have a couple of 2 stroke chainsaws but from reports I have heard the Stihl battery electric ones are good so will probably move to those once the current ones die. 

Martyn1981

Vid review from What Car of the new Hyundai Ioniq 5 v's the 'old'* Tesla Model 3 SR+. With an interesting efficiency result at the 8min mark, but it does depend on what their "driven in a controlled environment, simulating real world roads and real world driving" involves. The Hyundai averaged 3.4m/kWh, the Tesla managed 4.2m/kWh.

*So, it appears that Tesla have upped the battery in the base model from ~50kWh to ~60kWh, and changed its name from SR+ (standard range plus) to RWD (rear wheel drive). Range has increased to over 300miles WLTP.

Tesla Model 3 vs Hyundai Ioniq 5 review – a new EV champion? | What Car?

shinytop

Martyn1981 said:

shinytop said:

Martyn1981 said:

One of the reasons Cali is ahead is because they decided to set their own emissions standards for vehicles and fleet sales about 50 yrs ago. Their right to do this was rubber stamped by the President every 6 months until Trump took charge. The problem with Cali having a higher standard is that it forces companies to produce cleaner cars to raise their fleet standard as they can't risk losing Cali sales (about 10% of the US), nor afford to build to two separate standards. Trump spotted this when he decided to reduce the CAFE (corporate average fuel efficiency) targets.

Yup that killed off 2 stroke motorcycles in the mid-70s. Now they were polluting. 

Absolutely, and the great news in Asia and Africa is that BEV two (and three) wheelers are doing really well. It's also a technology that works perfectly with battery swopping. I've been staggered watching vids of vehicles stopping near a battery swap station (looks like a wall of post boxes), they pull out their battery with one hand, plug it in an empty slow, and then remove a battery that displays it's charged. Fantasic ...... possibly perfect?

And speaking of Cali and two strokes, they've just passed a law to ban all ICE gardening tools, such as small to large lawnmowers, leaf blowers etc etc.. I posted this vid a month or so back. I actually didn't watch and post it at first as it sounded a bit boring, but in other vids they said it was one of their best, but least watched. When I watched it I was absolutely mind blown as to the staggering scale of emissions from these tools, and how the battery versions are so much cheaper to operate. In fact, if the channel have got the numbers right, then this move isn't punitive at all, since it will save gardening firms a fortune, and improve the working environment for their staff too.

A Breath of Fresh Air | In Depth

I've always thought that battery swapping was the way the whole BEV charging infrastructure should have gone. The idea of forcing the whole machine and its operator to wait while the battery charges has always seemed daft to me.  It's forced the industry into having ever faster chargers and their associated expensive infrastructure.      

On the subject of  2-T vs BE tools, I've found battery works really well with things like chainsaws where you need short, powerful blasts but less well when you need longer, continuous running, like strimmers and lawn mowers.  I'm sure battery gardening tools are cheaper to operate for commercial gardners but the initial investment would be substantial for tools that will be running 7-8 hours a day. They'd need a lot of batteries and chargers.