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CKhalvashi

EVandPV said:

Coastalwatch said:

Hadn't seen this posted previously so apologies if it has!

Co Charger is an App which has already been developed to connect people with BEV chargers willing to be used by others nearby who do not have off street parking and therefore no means of charging other than at work or on public chargers and probably not within walking distance of their home. There is no charge for the App, either for the host or chargee. Co Chargers return is via a 10% +vat levi on each transaction.

It is promoted as a Green and Ethical means of assisting the roll out of BEV's into the wider population to include those who might be put off otherwise due to not having the facility at home.

The Host can set their own fees per hour and the monetary side is handled by Co Charger who take their share and deposit the remainder in the Hosts account.

Probably not for everyone, but for those of us willing to assist others not so fortunate as ourselves on the transistion towards a cleaner environment then it's certainly worth investigating.

I came across them on the Ethex platform as they are seeking to raise funds to enhance their product further and are offering equity in exchange.

https://co-charger.com/download/

Great idea but there's some (ahem) interesting session rates.
Some charging £5 an hour and others with a minimum session fee of £5-6   

Seriously !!??
Wondering if there are potentially some scam hosts among them ??

There was talk of this in Ukraine when I was there for work a few months ago. The situation in the country is largely one of people having access to street parking and occasionally courtyards, but rarely in the cities driveways.

The city I was in is a UNESCO-listed centre, so this will need to be done in a way to preserve the natural beauty and integrity of the area, so possibly lampposts.

Outside the centre, I can see charging points on a reasonable pricing popping up in the courtyards (which is largely communal parking), however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

On something like the linked chargepoint (click here), I'd be more concerned at a 45kWh charger only charging at 7.2kw, effectively meaning in my own case I'd be waiting just over 6 hours instead of 40-ish minutes.

I can't find an article in English about this, but believe it was only at proposal stage rather than actually receiving approval to go ahead. Any coordination in this case would need to be with the city, who are responsible for charging services.

CKhalvashi

michaels said:

CKhalvashi said:

Are the Tesla numbers due to a bulk of cars coming in a certain month (I notice Tesla have done this in the past) or for another reason?

In other news, does anyone have experience here with the EQA? It, the Mustang and Enyaq are on the list for potential replacement of the Yeti. Requirements are an estate-ish car with 250-ish mile rated range with delivery November/December-ish (I'd like to give it a run to Paris in December on a contract, subject to COVID restrictions etc).

We need to work out how to get a 2nd charging point into the house before proceeding further, so nothing is urgent. Another option is charging one at work, as OH doesn't have access to workplace charging.

For accounting reasons tesla want to minimise their stock of built but not delivered cars at the end of each quarter.  Basically in month 1 of each quarter they manufacture for export by boat to Europe in California and China and don't see cars anywhere.  In month 2 they manufacture for local demand and start selling in the US and China whilst the boats are sailing to Europe. Month 3 they manufacture and sell locally trying to maximise deliveries at the end of the quarter whilst also delivering and booking the the European sales.  Hence only selling in Europe the last month of each quarter.

I think the EQA is half a class smaller than the ID4/Mustang/Enyaq/Model Y/Ioniq 5/Kia EV6 but potentially more upmarket.  Perhaps it compares in size to the MG ZS, Peugeot e2008, Hyundai Kona, Kia eNiro?

First part makes more sense now as to why certain numbers are as they are, thanks for that.

EQA is of the size that fits our needs, and with the specifications that OH wants. The XC40 was the other one that's come up as a potential contender. Of course, these are expensive pieces of machinery, so all 4 will be test driven and pricing agreed (although no big discounts are expected) before a decision is made.

I was surprised at the size of the EQC actually when parking next to one, thought previously it was larger than it was. As a model, that is outside of a reasonable price range for us at this time.

Solarchaser

Martyn1981 said:

Nothing new, so to speak, about the argument here that BEV's are 'better' than ICEV's, but the article suggests reading the scientific article on which it is reporting, and tbf, it's short and simple and an interesting read.

All The Arguments Battery-Electric Vehicle Bashers Make About BEVs Polluting More Are Wrong

Every now and then, we see comments that battery-electric vehicles (BEV) are not as good for the climate as advertised. These are often based on pseudo-scientific articles by serious-sounding institutions. For normal people like you and me, it is hard to debunk those stories. The power of good FUD is that it sounds true.

Luckily, we have a tireless scientist helping us debunk those stories. Now he has collected the most often used false arguments in an article we can reference for the right arguments.

Very interesting thanks!
Especially relevant to me, as old car was merc c220 and new one is tesla model 3.

ABrass

CKhalvashi said:

EVandPV said:

Coastalwatch said:

Hadn't seen this posted previously so apologies if it has!

Co Charger is an App which has already been developed to connect people with BEV chargers willing to be used by others nearby who do not have off street parking and therefore no means of charging other than at work or on public chargers and probably not within walking distance of their home. There is no charge for the App, either for the host or chargee. Co Chargers return is via a 10% +vat levi on each transaction.

It is promoted as a Green and Ethical means of assisting the roll out of BEV's into the wider population to include those who might be put off otherwise due to not having the facility at home.

The Host can set their own fees per hour and the monetary side is handled by Co Charger who take their share and deposit the remainder in the Hosts account.

Probably not for everyone, but for those of us willing to assist others not so fortunate as ourselves on the transistion towards a cleaner environment then it's certainly worth investigating.

I came across them on the Ethex platform as they are seeking to raise funds to enhance their product further and are offering equity in exchange.

https://co-charger.com/download/

Great idea but there's some (ahem) interesting session rates.
Some charging £5 an hour and others with a minimum session fee of £5-6   

Seriously !!??
Wondering if there are potentially some scam hosts among them ??

There was talk of this in Ukraine when I was there for work a few months ago. The situation in the country is largely one of people having access to street parking and occasionally courtyards, but rarely in the cities driveways.

The city I was in is a UNESCO-listed centre, so this will need to be done in a way to preserve the natural beauty and integrity of the area, so possibly lampposts.

Outside the centre, I can see charging points on a reasonable pricing popping up in the courtyards (which is largely communal parking), however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

On something like the linked chargepoint (click here), I'd be more concerned at a 45kWh charger only charging at 7.2kw, effectively meaning in my own case I'd be waiting just over 6 hours instead of 40-ish minutes.

I can't find an article in English about this, but believe it was only at proposal stage rather than actually receiving approval to go ahead. Any coordination in this case would need to be with the city, who are responsible for charging services.

It can only charge at 47kW if you've got three phase power. Most people don't have that domestically.

Martyn1981

ABrass said:

CKhalvashi said:

EVandPV said:

Coastalwatch said:

Hadn't seen this posted previously so apologies if it has!

Co Charger is an App which has already been developed to connect people with BEV chargers willing to be used by others nearby who do not have off street parking and therefore no means of charging other than at work or on public chargers and probably not within walking distance of their home. There is no charge for the App, either for the host or chargee. Co Chargers return is via a 10% +vat levi on each transaction.

It is promoted as a Green and Ethical means of assisting the roll out of BEV's into the wider population to include those who might be put off otherwise due to not having the facility at home.

The Host can set their own fees per hour and the monetary side is handled by Co Charger who take their share and deposit the remainder in the Hosts account.

Probably not for everyone, but for those of us willing to assist others not so fortunate as ourselves on the transistion towards a cleaner environment then it's certainly worth investigating.

I came across them on the Ethex platform as they are seeking to raise funds to enhance their product further and are offering equity in exchange.

https://co-charger.com/download/

Great idea but there's some (ahem) interesting session rates.
Some charging £5 an hour and others with a minimum session fee of £5-6   

Seriously !!??
Wondering if there are potentially some scam hosts among them ??

There was talk of this in Ukraine when I was there for work a few months ago. The situation in the country is largely one of people having access to street parking and occasionally courtyards, but rarely in the cities driveways.

The city I was in is a UNESCO-listed centre, so this will need to be done in a way to preserve the natural beauty and integrity of the area, so possibly lampposts.

Outside the centre, I can see charging points on a reasonable pricing popping up in the courtyards (which is largely communal parking), however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

On something like the linked chargepoint (click here), I'd be more concerned at a 45kWh charger only charging at 7.2kw, effectively meaning in my own case I'd be waiting just over 6 hours instead of 40-ish minutes.

I can't find an article in English about this, but believe it was only at proposal stage rather than actually receiving approval to go ahead. Any coordination in this case would need to be with the city, who are responsible for charging services.

It can only charge at 47kW if you've got three phase power. Most people don't have that domestically.

Also, if I'm reading it correctly, that's an AC charger, so it'll be limited to the car's onboard charger, which for many will be 7-11kW (3.3kW I think for some of the older BEV's).



Edit - Speaking of 3 phase, I was chatting with my sister and BiL last weekend and exlaining that when they are ready to move to a BEV, they'll want one or two external sockets near the 'carpark' (yard), but also a 7kW charger to make use of the large PV system (10.3kWp), which will cover granny charging most of the time, and even 6.6kW (quite common) car charging, a lot of the time.

Then I realised my mistake, as with 3 phase, it'll depend which phase the sockets and larger charger are on, so really they'll be working to ~3.5kWp of solar.

But, a quick play on the Google machine, and I see that Zappi do a 3 phase model, that's really cool, I didn't know that.

It seems solutions are arriving faster than I can think of problems!

CKhalvashi

ABrass said:

CKhalvashi said:

EVandPV said:

Coastalwatch said:

Hadn't seen this posted previously so apologies if it has!

Co Charger is an App which has already been developed to connect people with BEV chargers willing to be used by others nearby who do not have off street parking and therefore no means of charging other than at work or on public chargers and probably not within walking distance of their home. There is no charge for the App, either for the host or chargee. Co Chargers return is via a 10% +vat levi on each transaction.

It is promoted as a Green and Ethical means of assisting the roll out of BEV's into the wider population to include those who might be put off otherwise due to not having the facility at home.

The Host can set their own fees per hour and the monetary side is handled by Co Charger who take their share and deposit the remainder in the Hosts account.

Probably not for everyone, but for those of us willing to assist others not so fortunate as ourselves on the transistion towards a cleaner environment then it's certainly worth investigating.

I came across them on the Ethex platform as they are seeking to raise funds to enhance their product further and are offering equity in exchange.

https://co-charger.com/download/

Great idea but there's some (ahem) interesting session rates.
Some charging £5 an hour and others with a minimum session fee of £5-6   

Seriously !!??
Wondering if there are potentially some scam hosts among them ??

There was talk of this in Ukraine when I was there for work a few months ago. The situation in the country is largely one of people having access to street parking and occasionally courtyards, but rarely in the cities driveways.

The city I was in is a UNESCO-listed centre, so this will need to be done in a way to preserve the natural beauty and integrity of the area, so possibly lampposts.

Outside the centre, I can see charging points on a reasonable pricing popping up in the courtyards (which is largely communal parking), however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

On something like the linked chargepoint (click here), I'd be more concerned at a 45kWh charger only charging at 7.2kw, effectively meaning in my own case I'd be waiting just over 6 hours instead of 40-ish minutes.

I can't find an article in English about this, but believe it was only at proposal stage rather than actually receiving approval to go ahead. Any coordination in this case would need to be with the city, who are responsible for charging services.

It can only charge at 47kW if you've got three phase power. Most people don't have that domestically.

Most streets (and I'd assume most apartment blocks but not the apartments themselves) will have access to three phase supply though, or am I thinking completely incorrectly? A courtyard/street connection wouldn't necessarily be domestic in itself.

IIRC, only certain versions of the Zoe can actually charge at close to 47kW.

Coastalwatch

CKhalvashi said:

Outside the centre, I can see charging points on a reasonable pricing popping up in the courtyards (which is largely communal parking), however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

Thanks CK, maybe that's why the charger is rented by the hour, as indicated in the FAQ's!

Speaking of which they do appear to cover most senario's, so worth a read for anyone genuinely interested.

QrizB

Coastalwatch said:

CKhalvashi said:

...however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

Thanks CK, maybe that's why the charger is rented by the hour, as indicated in the FAQ's!

From OFGEM (here):

"This letter sets out our decision that the Maximum Resale Price (MRP) provisions do not apply to the resale of electricity from charge points for use by electric vehicles (EVs)."

EVandPV

CKhalvashi said:

IIRC, only certain versions of the Zoe can actually charge at close to 47kW.

Prior to the ZE50 which has dc charging at 50kw, the max is 43kw on Q90 models that have rapid ac charging.
All the other 22kwh and 40kwh models do up to 22kw ac charging.
Though strangely, all models from 22kwh to 40kwh can regen up to 43kw under the right conditions.

CKhalvashi

QrizB said:

Coastalwatch said:

CKhalvashi said:

...however I'm not sure of legalities of charging per kWh in the UK.

Thanks CK, maybe that's why the charger is rented by the hour, as indicated in the FAQ's!

From OFGEM (here):

"This letter sets out our decision that the Maximum Resale Price (MRP) provisions do not apply to the resale of electricity from charge points for use by electric vehicles (EVs)."

Thanks for that Qriz. Maybe it's designed to cover parking, but then overall margin would do this, or maybe a small margin and then a daily charge in high demand areas.

This model therefore makes no sense to me, as some cars will be charging at different speed, and there is no incentive to make most efficient use of the grid in this case.