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CKhalvashi

EVandPV said:

CKhalvashi said:

IIRC, only certain versions of the Zoe can actually charge at close to 47kW.

Prior to the ZE50 which has dc charging at 50kw, the max is 43kw on Q90 models that have rapid ac charging.
All the other 22kwh and 40kwh models do up to 22kw ac charging.
Though strangely, all models from 22kwh to 40kwh can regen up to 43kw under the right conditions.

The Q90 was what I was thinking of.

I believe it came to attention while speaking to a Bolt driver somewhere, maybe Vilnius, last year.

Solarchaser

EVandPV said:

CKhalvashi said:

IIRC, only certain versions of the Zoe can actually charge at close to 47kW.

Prior to the ZE50 which has dc charging at 50kw, the max is 43kw on Q90 models that have rapid ac charging.
All the other 22kwh and 40kwh models do up to 22kw ac charging.
Though strangely, all models from 22kwh to 40kwh can regen up to 43kw under the right conditions.

Interesting the zoe does better than the Tesla on ac, tesla 3 can only do a max of 11kw of ac changing (15 plate leaf can only do 3.3kw) so goon on the zoe.

Was talking to a lad today as I disconnected from a free Glasgow charger and advising him a zoe would be ideal for his range and mileage requirements as he was looking to get rid of his ff car

Martyn1981

I've been hearing rumours about TMY deliveries to Europe starting this quarter, for a couple of days, but it seems they may be true. Could be that there is spare capacity now in the US, or maybe they'll come from China, where production is still ramping fast, though the addition there of a standard range rear wheel drive TMY, at around $11k cheaper, may swallow up that extra production ... who knows!

Tesla Model Y Deliveries Begin In Europe In September

[ Edit - Probably should have said that these look to all be LHD vehicles, I assume that the UK won't see TMY's for a long time yet. :-(  ]

Martyn1981

Big plans for big chargers, for big vehicles.

Volvo Group, Daimler, & TRATON GROUP Pump Up Heavy-Duty Truck Charging

Three top commercial vehicle manufacturers — Volvo Group, Daimler Truck, and TRATON GROUP — now have their eyes on the electric future, and that includes a big-picture view that encapsulates charging. They have reached an agreement to both “install and operate a high-performance public charging network for battery electric heavy-duty long-haul trucks and coaches across Europe.”

A big part of the initiative is simply to make heavy-duty electric transport convenient across Europe, but I thought it was noteworthy that the companies also indicated this partnership was about building “customer confidence.” This is indeed one of the top barriers — if not the top barrier — to quicker electric vehicle adoption in general, and it makes sense that a partnership between three leading commercial vehicle manufacturers would mean much more to customers than statements from the companies individually. Even better that they are focused on charging infrastructure.

“The agreement lays the foundation of a future joint venture (JV) — equally owned by the three parties, planning to start operations in 2022. The parties intend to invest together 500 million euros to install and operate at least 1,700 high-performance green energy charging points close to highways as well as at logistic and destination points, within five years from the establishment of the JV. The number of charging points is with time intended to be increased significantly by seeking additional partners as well as public funding. The future JV is planned to operate under its own corporate identity and be based in Amsterdam, Netherlands. The future JV will be able to build on the broad experience and knowledge of its founding partners in heavy-duty trucking.”

michaels

Martyn1981 said:

I've been hearing rumours about TMY deliveries to Europe starting this quarter, for a couple of days, but it seems they may be true. Could be that there is spare capacity now in the US, or maybe they'll come from China, where production is still ramping fast, though the addition there of a standard range rear wheel drive TMY, at around $11k cheaper, may swallow up that extra production ... who knows!

Tesla Model Y Deliveries Begin In Europe In September

[ Edit - Probably should have said that these look to all be LHD vehicles, I assume that the UK won't see TMY's for a long time yet. :-(  ]

I thought it was confirmed these were China made vehicles and LR only at first but it is unclear what battery cells as the range is less than the current LR.  I suspect that selling LR in Europe even with shipping and taxes is more profitable than selling SR in China.  WE know form HK that RHD is now being built but I was half suspecting that the continuing strong M3 sales in the UK mean that Tesla don't see any ned to cannibalise these by introducing the MY here yet?

Martyn1981

I've been posting some bad/naughty miles/kWh figures for our TM3, so for a change ....... Wifey went to visit a friend yesterday, and today I went to plug it in to charge, but noticed that it still had tons of charge, so I checked the trip, and 'interrogated' poor Wifey about the drive. So it was 54 miles, with approximately 20 miles on the Motorway, and the rest on 30-60mph roads. She wasn't trying to be good, just not able to cruise at 80+ all the way (which we bad people seem to do when on motorways as the car is very smooth).

The results were -   54.5 miles   /   12kWh   /   222Wh/mile   /   4.5miles/kWh

But this still comes nowhere near my London mate, who recently drove home in busy traffic and was stuck behind a HGV, so he put it in autopilot on follow distance 1 (the closest) and relaxed. His results were:-  28.4 miles over 45 mins (approx 38mph) and 154Wh/mile = 6.5miles/kWh.

I can see a game/challenge developing!

JKenH

The only true results for miles/kWh are for the whole journey from a cold start. I have seen as much as 10 miles/kWh from my Leaf in exceptional circumstances when I have gone a few miles before resetting the trip meter.

Solarchaser

Martyn1981 said:

I've been posting some bad/naughty miles/kWh figures for our TM3, so for a change ....... Wifey went to visit a friend yesterday, and today I went to plug it in to charge, but noticed that it still had tons of charge, so I checked the trip, and 'interrogated' poor Wifey about the drive. So it was 54 miles, with approximately 20 miles on the Motorway, and the rest on 30-60mph roads. She wasn't trying to be good, just not able to cruise at 80+ all the way (which we bad people seem to do when on motorways as the car is very smooth).

The results were -   54.5 miles   /   12kWh   /   222Wh/mile   /   4.5miles/kWh

But this still comes nowhere near my London mate, who recently drove home in busy traffic and was stuck behind a HGV, so he put it in autopilot on follow distance 1 (the closest) and relaxed. His results were:-  28.4 miles over 45 mins (approx 38mph) and 154Wh/mile = 6.5miles/kWh.

I can see a game/challenge developing!

My London colleague reports the same figures, he believes it's the lack of roads where he can floor it mean a far more efficient drive... I'll not repeat the names I've been calling him 😂

I'm averaging 280w/m over 3500 miles,  but roof rack and bike racks have been on for half of it as well

Martyn1981

Solarchaser said:

Martyn1981 said:

I've been posting some bad/naughty miles/kWh figures for our TM3, so for a change ....... Wifey went to visit a friend yesterday, and today I went to plug it in to charge, but noticed that it still had tons of charge, so I checked the trip, and 'interrogated' poor Wifey about the drive. So it was 54 miles, with approximately 20 miles on the Motorway, and the rest on 30-60mph roads. She wasn't trying to be good, just not able to cruise at 80+ all the way (which we bad people seem to do when on motorways as the car is very smooth).

The results were -   54.5 miles   /   12kWh   /   222Wh/mile   /   4.5miles/kWh

But this still comes nowhere near my London mate, who recently drove home in busy traffic and was stuck behind a HGV, so he put it in autopilot on follow distance 1 (the closest) and relaxed. His results were:-  28.4 miles over 45 mins (approx 38mph) and 154Wh/mile = 6.5miles/kWh.

I can see a game/challenge developing!

My London colleague reports the same figures, he believes it's the lack of roads where he can floor it mean a far more efficient drive... I'll not repeat the names I've been calling him 😂

I'm averaging 280w/m over 3500 miles,  but roof rack and bike racks have been on for half of it as well

Yep, I think my mate would be happy to get 6.5miles/kWh each day on his ~30mile (each way) commute. Not much you can do about it in London, but go with the flow I suppose.

The Ioniq is still averaging 4.5miles/kWh since we got it, and 5.5+ is possible just by driving less enthusiastically and staying under 70 on fast bits, don't even need to use ECO mode.


PS - You'll obviously be no stranger to hills, and S. Wales is pretty 'bumpy', especially if you head up, as Wifey did, so just checked the trip for her return journey, which on average would have been downhill, and it's 27.3 miles and 174Wh/mile.

[I don't have the out leg, just 'since last charge' and 'last trip', but I assume the outbound / up journey must have been around 270Wh/mile.]

michaels

Out of interest do you measure from out of the wall socket or use the car' measurement which is out of the battery?