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Grumpy_chap

JKenH said:

Just out of interest what would it be about the range of the MG5 that would make you nervous?  

Prior to COVID I was doing 140-mile round trip commute.  I understand a TM3LR could do that in all conditions whereas an MG5 may not.

Martyn1981 said:

I read Grumpy_Chap's comment to be cost aside, and discussing whether the TM3 (but I'd say also many other, cheaper, but long range BEV's) would meet the needs of the majority of drivers. 

Yes,  my earlier comment was cost-aside. 

There are also other EV's that meet the similar range criteria and need of most - E-Niro, iPace, E-Tron, etc.  These are still similar capital costs and, at this price point, the TM3LR is the one I'd choose.

The MG5 and MG ZS EV are the two more budget options that best meet (IMO) the balance of range and affordability.  I realise there are many Zoe and Leaf drivers that will tell me my opinion is incorrect.  I also like the fact that the two MG models are simply cars and do not come bleating with a smug "holier-than-though-saving-the-planet" message blazoned all over.

Grumpy_chap

Martyn1981 said:

I think this is really eye opening, it's saying that BEV's are safer than ICEV's, well we all know that already, but even the BEV version of a car that can also be bought as an ICEV, is far safer - so if you don't want to save money, nor the planet, how about saving your family? [That was a joke, well mostly.]

Injury Claims From Electric Vehicle Owners 40% Lower Than Identical Non-Electric Models

With regards to 2011–2019 models that are available both as electric and as gasoline-powered vehicles, the analysis found that drivers and passengers of the electric versions were 40% less likely to report injury claims. 40% less likely is a huge difference.

That article appears to suggest that it is the weight of the EV (batteries) compared to the weight of the ICE that is the reason why - so I take from that the EV is essentially "ploughing" through the lighter ICE.  Does that mean the safety advantage is no longer there once all cars are EV's?

ABrass

Grumpy_chap said:

Martyn1981 said:

I think this is really eye opening, it's saying that BEV's are safer than ICEV's, well we all know that already, but even the BEV version of a car that can also be bought as an ICEV, is far safer - so if you don't want to save money, nor the planet, how about saving your family? [That was a joke, well mostly.]

Injury Claims From Electric Vehicle Owners 40% Lower Than Identical Non-Electric Models

With regards to 2011–2019 models that are available both as electric and as gasoline-powered vehicles, the analysis found that drivers and passengers of the electric versions were 40% less likely to report injury claims. 40% less likely is a huge difference.

That article appears to suggest that it is the weight of the EV (batteries) compared to the weight of the ICE that is the reason why - so I take from that the EV is essentially "ploughing" through the lighter ICE.  Does that mean the safety advantage is no longer there once all cars are EV's?

If it were just about weight, yes.

But it is also easier to make a safe EV than an ICE. The unusually low center of gravity makes rolling very hard, and there more room for crumple zones and no need to worry about a giant lump of engine flying through where your knees used to be. I'd be surprised if there weren't a slight improvement even with weight accounted for.

EVandPV

Electric vehicles will be cheaper than petrol cars by 2027, claims new report, as battery costs dive and demand climbs

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9561641/amp/Electric-cars-cheaper-build-petrol-2027.html

EVandPV

France writes-off ChaDeMo standard in new legislation

https://www.electrive.com/2021/05/10/france-writes-off-chademo-standard-in-new-legislation/

JKenH

EVandPV said:

France writes-off ChaDeMo standard in new legislation

https://www.electrive.com/2021/05/10/france-writes-off-chademo-standard-in-new-legislation/

It’s probably because the Leaf is built in the UK.

Martyn1981

Grumpy_chap said:

Martyn1981 said:

I think this is really eye opening, it's saying that BEV's are safer than ICEV's, well we all know that already, but even the BEV version of a car that can also be bought as an ICEV, is far safer - so if you don't want to save money, nor the planet, how about saving your family? [That was a joke, well mostly.]

Injury Claims From Electric Vehicle Owners 40% Lower Than Identical Non-Electric Models

With regards to 2011–2019 models that are available both as electric and as gasoline-powered vehicles, the analysis found that drivers and passengers of the electric versions were 40% less likely to report injury claims. 40% less likely is a huge difference.

That article appears to suggest that it is the weight of the EV (batteries) compared to the weight of the ICE that is the reason why - so I take from that the EV is essentially "ploughing" through the lighter ICE.  Does that mean the safety advantage is no longer there once all cars are EV's?

I totally get the mass argument, and it's always better to be in the bigger vehicle, though if your mass matches, then it's better to both be in low mass vehicles.
But the difference of 40% is massive, whereas the weight difference between an ICEV model and the BEV models of any given car, is not that significant, perhaps 5-10%.

EVandPV

Tesla Roadster 2022: Price, release date, 0-60, range and more

As if the 0-60 time wasn't fast enough at 1.9 seconds, the "SpaceX package" is reported to include rocket thrusters ! 

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tesla-roadster-2022-price-release-date-0-60-range-and-more

Grumpy_chap

EVandPV said:

Tesla Roadster 2022: Price, release date, 0-60, range and more

As if the 0-60 time wasn't fast enough at 1.9 seconds, the "SpaceX package" is reported to include rocket thrusters ! 

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tesla-roadster-2022-price-release-date-0-60-range-and-more

Can I have one please?

EVandPV

Grumpy_chap said:

EVandPV said:

Tesla Roadster 2022: Price, release date, 0-60, range and more

As if the 0-60 time wasn't fast enough at 1.9 seconds, the "SpaceX package" is reported to include rocket thrusters ! 

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/tesla-roadster-2022-price-release-date-0-60-range-and-more

Can I have one please?

Sure, straight after I get mine.