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Battery Electric Vehicle News / Enjoying the Transportation Revolution
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My wife loves the idea. She likes driving our Leaf, particularly with ePedal, but suffers from severe range anxiety. With some bad charging experiences behind us, any idea of a long EV trip on her own has been ruled out so she won’t countenance an EV to replace the Picanto. I have suggested the obvious answer of a Tesla but the idea of operating everything from the touch screen does not appeal, unfortunately.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)1
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It can function for a mile or so as an EV.... thats hilarious.
So it's like a big ship, using a generator to power electric motors, it's about as far as you can get from being an actual ev.
And will qualify for no tax incentives etc.
What an utterly pointless carWest central Scotland
4kw sse since 2014 and 6.6kw wsw / ene split since 2019
24kwh leaf, 75Kwh Tesla and Lux 3600 with 60Kwh storage2 -
Solarchaser said:It can function for a mile or so as an EV.... thats hilarious.
So it's like a big ship, using a generator to power electric motors, it's about as far as you can get from being an actual ev.
And will qualify for no tax incentives etc.
What an utterly pointless car
For anyone who enjoys the experience of driving an electric car like I do - confident and rapid pedal response when setting off, smooth seamless progression, one pedal driving (and if you haven’t tried it you really should) it ticks those boxes which a conventional petrol car does not. But at the same time it eliminates range anxiety.If one is considering a petrol or diesel car then what are the downsides in going for this instead? This technology could prove more efficient than a conventional ICE car as the engine can run at optimal speed.If one would like the advantages of driving an electric car but have nowhere to charge it could prove a good option.If you want to cover long distances without frequent and lengthy charging stops then you are stuck with conventional ICE vehicles. When working I drove to Edinburgh and back and also to Dorset and back in the same day both 500 mile plus trips. It would have been ideal for that.If you are going to drive at motorway speeds and can’t charge at home then an EV provides little saving on fuel costs compared to an efficient petrol or diesel.
It’s not for you but it could be for me - if the charging infrastructure doesn’t improve soon.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)0 -
100% agree. Why do people criticise what seems to me to be a much better way of doing a mild hybrod on the grounds that it is not a bev?
Plus the added advantage is that it is likely to drive conversion to bev in a way that a prius style drive never will.I think....0 -
michaels said:100% agree. Why do people criticise what seems to me to be a much better way of doing a mild hybrod on the grounds that it is not a bev?
Plus the added advantage is that it is likely to drive conversion to bev in a way that a prius style drive never will.
Now, what's wrong with that, nothing at all ............. if it was still 1997. But the HEV was invented to improve the efficiency of a petrol car, this can probably be best described by the statement - 'You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.'
So the glittery petrol vehicle option is now over 20yrs old, and during that 20yrs we've seen the birth of the PHEV (such as the 12 mile range Prius), and gradually longer range PHEV's, that if driven mostly on leccy can be an improvement. But more importantly we've now seen the birth of the BEV ..... which I personally feel owes a lot to those early Prius' (and Insights) for testing and proving the technology.
So, having moved forward ~23yrs, from HEV to PHEV to BEV Rx to BEV why would you move backwards, it's akin to choosing a gas generation plant instead of a wind farm, because gas is a bit better than coal. Sometimes you have to just accept that times are changing and a move away from FF's is important and necessary (and will be mandatory in less than 10yrs).
So choose a PHEV (new or secondhand) or a BEV Rx and run it mostly on leccy if you can't go BEV, but don't go new HEV as this runs the risk of distraction and delays (just like clean coal, new nuclear technology, HFCEV's etc) and might actually slow down the move to EV's, if it introduces a new vehicle to people who may stick with that for 5yrs before being able to move again.
And to encourage people to go BEV, you don't need them to buy a glitter covered petrol car and waste 5yrs, when a short test drive in a BEV will convince most in just 30-60mins.
I wouldn't be surprised if they copied Toyota and called this a self charging EV too.
Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.7 -
The CashCow drives most of Nissans sales and profits in Europe. They could not move to only selling only the Bev Ariya that costs 10k more and will not be bought by many buyers who are still nervous of BEV overnight so I guess the options are a ice and Parallel hybrid and phev CashCow or an e-power CashCow. I think you are arguing that the former trio would be better than the latter. I am suggesting that e-power beats parallel hybrid even if it is just for better driving characteristics and more of an intro to the world of electric propulsion. I also think the jury is still out on how many miles phev owners actually choose to do on electric power.I think....0
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michaels said:The CashCow drives most of Nissans sales and profits in Europe. They could not move to only selling only the Bev Ariya that costs 10k more and will not be bought by many buyers who are still nervous of BEV overnight so I guess the options are a ice and Parallel hybrid and phev CashCow or an e-power CashCow. I think you are arguing that the former trio would be better than the latter. I am suggesting that e-power beats parallel hybrid even if it is just for better driving characteristics and more of an intro to the world of electric propulsion. I also think the jury is still out on how many miles phev owners actually choose to do on electric power.
And you can't criticise my reluctant suggestion of a PHEV instead, on the grounds of it not being run mostly on leccy, when I clearly stated:michaels said:Shame it is not a phev though but maybe it will come.So choose a PHEV (new or secondhand) or a BEV Rx and run it mostly on leccy if you can't go BEV
What this car really is, is nothing new at all. It's a BEV Rx with most of the battery and the plug removed, and a larger ICE. So I see no reason for it whatsoever if you want to sell it to someone who likes the driving style of an EV. All this will do is distract and delay, especially if the customer you are describing opts for this vehicle over a BEV. Sorry to be so negative and cynical, but the shiny object distraction has come up over and over in all aspects of greener cleaner technology, and every time it simply distracts and delays leading to the subsequent negative impacts of not just getting on with it sooner.
Perhaps the tag line could be - "Do you love the way BEV's drive, but aren't fond of batteries, plugs nor the environment, then this is the perfect car for you. Tell all your friends that it's 100% electric powered, just 'forget' to mention 100% of its energy comes from petrol."
*I'm not knocking PHEV's for folk like us. Nikki of Transport Evolved did a great episode on this subject after the recent criticisms that PHEV's can be less environmentally friendly than an ICEV. She pointed out that for many, especially business drivers and companies that simply got them (in the past) for tax/subsidy benefits, they are probably bad news. But for those of an environmental leaning and/or efficiency/economy leaning, who use them correctly and charge as much as possible, then they work well, especially as a stop gap towards a BEV.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.4 -
Was Tesla Disrupted By Traditional Carmakers Selling EVs In Europe?
https://insideevs.com/news/466564/was-tesla-disrupted-traditional-carmakers-europe/
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GM Shares Outperform Tesla's This Year
I think the significance of this is, not that GM have outperformed Tesla over the last fortnight, rather, that the shares are at an all time high. Maybe it would be premature to write off the legacy car companies just yet.Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)1 -
What an odd article. It states that shares were at $51.53 last week, which is true they were, but then uses that figure for 'so far this year' despite them closing at $49.97 on Friday. Even says they are up 20% this year so far (article dated 16th Jan) despite them being up 16.67% (v's 17.1% for Tesla).
Fingers crossed they and Ford don't go bust this decade, or have to merge like FCA did recently with PSA.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.0
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