UKPC payment slip

saam23

Dear all

i have received letter from UKPC saying " not parked correctly within the marking of the bay or sapce.

The driver of the car breached the terms and condition of parking which were clearly and prominently display on our car park signs. A parking charge was issued to the driver at the time but this has not been paid.

My wife didn't park correctly on bay and she has ignored the original parking charge which was £65. The front wheel was just over the parking bay lines.

What shall i do?

Please advice
Sam

KeithP

Hi and welcome to the forums.

The keeper should appeal using the already written for you, one size fits all, blue template appeal easily found in post #1 of the NEWBIES thread.

Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations needed.

Send it as the keeper.

And of course complain to the car park owner.

That's it... easy.

saam23

Thanks for your promtreply keithP

in my case .. car was not park within the marking of the bay space though. still appeal against this?

is this the right one?

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Yours faithfully,

KeithP

I'm not going to check it, but if that's the template from the NEWBIES thread then the keeper sends that unaltered.

saam23

But how do i argue about "not parked correctly within the marking of the bay or space"

Car was not park correctly in first place.

Really appreciate if someone can advice on this.

The_Deep

Many judges regard this type of claim as a trifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis

not really a breach of contract at all. If ths went to court the scammer might struggle.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten of these tickets are scams so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra work.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT]

saam23

Many thanks for your prompt reply the deep.

Would it be possible you to advice me what to write in appeal?

your help is much appreciated

Le_Kirk

saam23 wrote: »

Would it be possible you to advice me what to write in appeal?

You've been shown where to go - NEWBIE sticky post # 1 - and then you posted an appeal and asked if it was the right one. If you copied it from the NEWBIE sticky post # 1 and it was written in blue text, it is!

Coupon-mad

saam23 wrote: »

But how do i argue about "not parked correctly within the marking of the bay or space"

You don't. The NEWBIES thread explains that the details don't matter.

We have no time to keep repeating what the main sticky says, case by case. This is why the sticky thread was written...to stop this sort of thing that we just have no time to repeat, or the forum would drown in the basics and never get any cases won.

saam23

Dear all

I have used Newbies thread and appeal against the parking ticket charge. I have received the letter in post yesterday saying below..

" Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to the above parking charge.
To assist us in making a decision regarding your appeal, please confirm the full name and address of the driver to our Appeals Department within seven days of the date of this letter.
Photographic evidence pertaining to this parking charge may be viewed online at
The highest court in the UK, the Supreme Court, has unambiguously confirmed that parking charges issued on private land are fully enforceable. In the case of ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 their Lordships stated that private parking charges were enforceable because they served a legitimate interest and were in the interests of the public generally. The case confirmed that the amount of the charge does not have to reflect any loss that might have been caused by breach of the terms and conditions of parking. The Supreme Court decision is binding law on all other courts throughout the UK.
Due to data protection we are unable to provide out clients details..
UK Parking Control signage complies fully with the British Parking Association Code of Practice and we reject the suggestion that it is vague or misleading.
The parking charges issued by UK Parking Control Limited are based on a contractual agreement between UKPC and the driver, as detailed on the signage displayed in the car park. The signage states the terms and conditions of parking and explains that a parking charge will be payable if the terms are not met by the driver. We ensure that signage js ample, clear and visible, wholly in line with the British Parking Association Code of Practice. It is settled law that a driver is deemed to have accepted the terms and conditions of parking by the act of parking and leaving a vehicle.
This information may be confirmed by submitting another appeal on our website at [or by post to the address overleaf. Please ensure that if writing to us by post that you include the parking charge reference number and vehicle registration.
Failure to provide this information will give us no alternative other than to make our final decision based on the previous information received. At this stage a POPLA verification code will be provided.
The parking charge has been on hold whilst under appeal and may be settled in full at the reduced rate of £60.00
PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS LETTER. UKPC REGULARLY TAKES MOTORISTS THEIR PARKING CHARGES. PLEASE SEE: INFORMATION.
Yours faithfully,


What shall i do now?

saam23

Can someone advice on above?

Many thanks
Sam