A Question for Tory Supporters

Poor_Leno

I went out for a walk today and decided I'll vote for Lib Dem, but not on the grounds of economic or brexit policy, just a tactical vote to unseat Bill Cash's seemingly new best mate (Michael Tomlinson). If I were to vote for a party on purely economic policy it would be the Tories to protect the financial incentives they brought to my door, if it were on health and welfare I'd vote Labour. If I cared enough about not leaving the EU then I'd vote Lib Dem (I don't). If I cared enough about Brexit without care for anything else I'd vote BP So, that's that decided. Tactical voting FTW.

penners324

Economy - Expanding
Poverty- At the same level, if not slightly lower than 10 years ago
Unemployment- going down

penners324

I've never Tory in my life. However, with Johnson in charge I just might.

We need a General Election forthwith. Fortunately most polls indicate that the Tories will get a decent majority.

sevenhills

penners324 wrote: »

Economy - Expanding
Poverty- At the same level, if not slightly lower than 10 years ago
Unemployment- going down

In my view, unemployment goes down when the benefit system no longer helps people, they have no choice, but to work.

Thrugelmir

penners324 wrote: »

Economy - Expanding
Poverty- At the same level, if not slightly lower than 10 years ago
Unemployment- going down

Productivity declining. No productivity increase no improvement in standard of living.

Herzlos

sevenhills wrote: »

In my view, unemployment goes down when the benefit system no longer helps people, they have no choice, but to work.

Generally, a benefits system that doesn't help people makes it harder for them to get into work. It's harder to get and keep a job when you can't afford to look after yourself properly, or get a suit suitable for an interview, or get to the interview in the first place. People in poverty tend to be in poorer health, and are less sharp (because it's hard to stay healthy and alert when you need to choose between heating and eating).
Conversely, giving people the help to get them work is likely going to yield better results, rather than this idea of punishing people for being poor.



There seems to be this notion that people on benefits are swanning around in fancy cars, buying the latest stuff and then going home to watch TV on their 72" TV screen in their giant council house. The reality is far different and there are a lot of people that are in poverty.
Everyone can point to some example of someone on benefits that seems to be doing better but I'm not sure how easy it is to actually tell, or if there's more going on (like fraud).
Personally, I'm baffled as to how many people seemingly on benefits can afford to smoke, but I'm sure they cut corners elsewhere to afford it.

MEM62

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Vote Tory because we don't have Corbyn in charge. It's not much of a recommendation is it?

Quite persuasive in my view

Malthusian

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Productivity declining.

As it inevitably does in a time of full employment. The least productive people get jobs last, and get sacked first, so productivity is inversely correlated with employment.

No productivity increase no improvement in standard of living.

It's an improvement in standard of living for the less productive people who get jobs instead of surviving on the dole.

lisyloo

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Productivity declining. No productivity increase no improvement in standard of living.

That depends on how you define standard of living.

I’d say


Dimensia care is better
Social care is better
Outcomes for stroke/ cancer/ heart attack/ autoimmune conditions is better.
Routine health screening is better
Leisure activities have increased for many
Travel has increased for many e.g. short haul being very common for hen/stag parties these days
Mental health care improved
Unemployment down

I guess whether your a glass half full, glass half empty person in important . Also whether you have an agenda/ bias.

Thrugelmir

Malthusian wrote: »

As it inevitably does in a time of full employment. The least productive people get jobs last, and get sacked first, so productivity is inversely correlated with employment.

Been an ongoing issue for over a decade. Not something which has recently arisen. Technology advances should be improving matters.