A Question for Tory Supporters

lvader

In Boris we trust

Takedap

lvader wrote: »

In Boris we trust

Despite all the evidence.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

Yes, what’s your point?

You need two thirds majority to call a general election.

lvader

Takedap wrote: »

Despite all the evidence.

Evidence? All I can hear is a lot of remoaning.

Arklight

The Tory Party Conference:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/30/tories-spending-sajid-javid

The flight of the young was spelled out brutally by David Willetts, chair of the Resolution Foundation. He found that only 8% of women under 35 would vote Tory. The age at which people vote Tory is rising fast – over 49s in 2017, now only a majority of those over 51. Age has outstripped class in determining voting habits. “How to win back younger voters?” they were asking. You can’t, was the conclusion. Because those in their 20s are worse off than their parents, not home owners, spending a third of their income on rents, stuck in insecure gig jobs, young parents crippled by childcare costs. Socially liberal, 20% ethnically diverse, deeply concerned about the climate crisis, they are ignored here. They are remainers and they will not be coming back. Best news for the Tories is the Electoral Reform Society reporting that 9.4 million are missing from the electoral register, mostly the young and renters: David Cameron stopped households and colleges registering them automatically, knowing the young are the enemy. Sorrowfully, the chair of Cameron’s former Witney Young Conservatives rose to say he had only four members.

And from the comments board:

Pinnington8h ago
Guardian Pick
The real take away, the real absolutely devastating indictment of Tory incompetence is that after nine years of Tory policies Javid is proposing to borrow more money just to make a teeny crease in the devastation the tories have caused.

Soak that up: nine years of Tory austerity and their only plan is to max out the credit card, again.

What kind of people vote for such incompetent losers? The bizarre fantasy that the current Tory party is anything but a vehicle for flattening the UK in the interests of hedge funds is shattered on the beach of Javid’s profligacy.

Says it all really.

scaredofdebt

SpiderLegs wrote: »

You need two thirds majority to call a general election.

No you don't.

Not if there's a Vote of No Confidence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46890481

scaredofdebt

oddjobbpb wrote: »

The thing with Boris is that he's teflon man, no scandal affects him or sticks to him. He is as crafty as a fox, an election winner and utterly ruthless. I like him.

And the way he will frame the upcoming election as 'boris for the people' whilst painting Corbyn, Swinson and others as enemies of the people is brilliant.

Once the election process starts and he gets Lynton Crosbie on board to run things, with just enough rhetoric to steal a good chunk of Brexit party votes, I think he's just about home with a working majority.

The whole thing about brexit is that you cannot ignore the people. I wasn't fussed much either way, brexit might be awful, it might be neutral, it might be brilliant, no one knows: but the people voted, and that is that

Fortunately Corbyn is unelectable by the public at large, frankly, anyone except him will do for me.

Well that's one way of looking at it.

Personally I don't think you can trust a word he says, he has been sacked multiple times for lying, has had numerous affairs and doesn't respect the law or the Monarch - everything he does is for his own self-interest or for the group of hedge-fund managers/tax evaders who are funding and controlling him.

He's absolutely not "of the people", he's an Eton educated multi-millionaire who leads a life of privilege and people can see him for what he is, an incompetent chancer. He's doing a great job of destroying the Tory party.

Once we get past October 31st and Brexit hasn't happened, the Brexit party will eat him alive and he will lose millions of votes to Farage and his company, the Tories will struggle to even form a coalition government.

Brexit is all about ensuring the UK continues as a tax-haven for the rich, it probably won't benefit 99% of people and will likely make a fair chunk of them worse off. If it does happen at the end of October then it will be no-deal as Boris couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. This will be bad for the country as a whole but it might not become immediately apparent, that is the only hope he has of forming a government.

Corbyn won 12 million votes in 2017 and the polls are much tighter than they were back then, he can absolutely win a majority, but I suspect we are headed for another hung parliament. That will then lead to another referendum, unless we have had a no-deal Brexit at the end of October.

SpiderLegs

scaredofdebt wrote: »

No you don't.

Not if there's a Vote of No Confidence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46890481

Your reasoning is about as relevant to the proposed course of action as saying ‘not if it’s been five years since the last one’

If there is a VONC and no replacement govt put in place then it is up to the current PM to determine the date of the election.

The proposal is that a VONC is passed and JC forms a new temporary govt. This is to stop Boris from using the VONC to force through a no-deal. Under this plan, for JC to then call a GE requires him to get a two-thirds majority.

scaredofdebt

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Your reasoning is about as relevant to the proposed course of action as saying ‘not if it’s been five years since the last one’

If there is a VONC and no replacement govt put in place then it is up to the current PM to determine the date of the election.

The proposal is that a VONC is passed and JC forms a new temporary govt. This is to stop Boris from using the VONC to force through a no-deal. Under this plan, for JC to then call a GE requires him to get a two-thirds majority.

Not really, a VONC is highly likely in the next few weeks.

SpiderLegs

scaredofdebt wrote: »

Not really, a VONC is highly likely in the next few weeks.

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