A Question for Tory Supporters

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

So should an MP follow the national vote or their constituency?
I’d say their duty is to their constituents.

Their duty is to all of their constituents, however their constituents voted, in whatever way they believe is in the interest of their constituents.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

So should an MP follow the national vote or their constituency?
I’d say their duty is to their constituents.

The referendum wasn’t a constituency vote. It was a national one.

But it’s a debatable issue and I would probably agree with you on it, since ultimately they work for their constituents.

But that cannot be applied across the board because government ministers have to follow the party line even if it puts them in conflict with their local constituents.

SpiderLegs

Sailtheworld wrote: »

All politicians claim a mandate for what they do so it doesn't really mean anything.

If Corbyn ran a GE campaign based on a platform of another referendum where revoke was an option and found himself as PM and called the referendum that's democracy. The will of the people.

Not the democracy you would want but that's life. The mandate to leave the EU (such that it is) fades every day. If the Tories hadn't totally messed this up you could've had this away by now and sunning yourself on the uplands.

You have made the mistake of assuming that the Leave/remain question is the most important thing I care about.

I’m afraid you are wrong.

The thing I care most about is do our politicians deliver what they say they will deliver.

You’re right the tories have messed it up. I thought Cameron was a tool but May was horrific beyond belief. If only labour had a vaguely credible approach things could have been sorted long ago.

If Corbyn wins a GE based on what I may personally consider to be a shambolic policy then good luck to him. He can crack on and deliver.
Same with the Lib Dem’s and the tories. I couldn’t give a flying. What I want is for them to stop messing about and make their bleeding minds up.

Sailtheworld

SpiderLegs wrote: »

What I want is for them to stop messing about and make their bleeding minds up.

Today my money's on May's deal being resurrected from the dead so we can crack on with a GE.

SpiderLegs

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Today my money's on May's deal being resurrected from the dead so we can crack on with a GE.

You are probably right.

phillw

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Today my money's on May's deal being resurrected from the dead so we can crack on with a GE.

AFAICT the law is that if Boris doesn't get a deal then we ask for an extension to put May's revised deal to a referendum.

I'm not going to commit money to it though.

SpiderLegs wrote: »

I thought Cameron was a tool but May was horrific beyond belief.

She failed because she pandered too much to the right of the party trying to hold it together. She was a horrific home secretary for the same reason. Although I'm not entirely sure how close she was to the centre right in the first place.

SpiderLegs wrote: »

But that cannot be applied across the board because government ministers have to follow the party line even if it puts them in conflict with their local constituents.

They can leave the government if they don't believe in what the government are doing. We don't have direct democracy, you shouldn't and can't expect them to do what voters want. That might be what you want, but that isn't what you will ever get.

LHW99

Or he can treat it as advisory and allow it to direct the government to represent the people.

Wasn't that what Cameron said about the result of the 2016 referendum, that whatever the result was Parliament would enact it?

phillw

LHW99 wrote: »

Wasn't that what Cameron said about the result of the 2016 referendum, that whatever the result was Parliament would enact it?

Cameron isn't in government, anything he said is irrelevant. He didn't choose to make it legally binding.

Silvertabby

“ Wasn't that what Cameron said about the result of the 2016 referendum, that whatever the result was Parliament would enact it?
Originally posted by LHW99

phillw wrote: »

Cameron isn't in government, anything he said is irrelevant. He didn't choose to make it legally binding.

Cameron never believed that the result would be 'leave', so he failed to put the necessary legal machinery in place.

SpiderLegs

phillw wrote: »

AFAICT the law is that if Boris doesn't get a deal then we ask for an extension to put May's revised deal to a referendum.

I'm not going to commit money to it though.

Thank god because that is FAKE NEWS.