A Question for Tory Supporters

Cakeguts

babyblade41 wrote: »

Prime example .. Female has a child at 21 with someone who doesn't work and has a habit of rolling spliffs very adeptly.. Female gives up work (only worked for 12 months)and now has a 2 bed ground floor flat with a small garden.
Moans like !!!!!!y that said partner is useless and wants to leave him and go and live with mother in her council house who also has 3 of her own children. (mother has a total of 5)

Female changes her mind and stays with low life who has gone to the GP's declaring he is unfit for work due to depression

Lo and behold female is pregnant with another child , neither of them have paid anything to the cost of these kids ,

I would much rather their flat went to an OAP who has worked but never managed to have their own place for one reason or another and are stuck in some high rise crap hole because these lazy beggars spend more time on their back than finding a job

..and some Labour person thinks it's OK to take off me and others to distribute the wealth to these people??? are you having a giraffe

Food banks...don't even get me started on these

Its actually worse than the OAPs. There is so much money and housing going to people who only take out of they system and have never put anything in that we have a situation where there are a lot of hidden homeless disabled people. It is not unusual for them to still be living with their parents in their late 30s and even in their 40s. We need more supported housing and much less housing for people who think that everyone else should pay for their lifestyle choices. Disabled people who are stuck with their parents don't have the choice to get pregnant at 21. They don't have many choices at all.



If I had my way I would stop giving pregnant under 25 year olds any type of housing until all the older disabled people were housed. If someone who is disabled has to live at home with their parents then pregnant 25 year olds who have never worked can do the same.

Sailtheworld

Looks like David Willetts was a bit previous when he said the Tories war on single mothers was over at the party conference in 2002.

Cakeguts

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Looks like David Willetts was a bit previous when he said the Tories war on single mothers was over at the party conference in 2002.

Must be honest I hadn't realised that cloning had got that advanced. The last time I looked you still couldn't have a single parent. It still took two.

Sailtheworld

Cakeguts wrote: »

Must be honest I hadn't realised that cloning had got that advanced. The last time I looked you still couldn't have a single parent. It still took two.

Rather than where a baby is cloned single parents are where the mummy and daddy make a baby but don't live with each other. Nine times out of ten it's a ruse to part Tories from their money. They probably didn't work as hard at school as you either.

phillw

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Rather than where a baby is cloned single parents are where the mummy and daddy make a baby but don't live with each other. Nine times out of ten it's a ruse to part Tories from their money. They probably didn't work as hard at school as you either.

The baby didn't apply for permission to enter the UK either. Disgraceful.

Green_Bear

Cakeguts wrote: »

And if there are 5 children and no maintenance is being paid and the mother doesn't work? Who pays for that?

The govt pay the mother the same benefits, no matter how much maintenance the father pays.

Green_Bear

Cakeguts wrote: »

Its actually worse than the OAPs. There is so much money and housing going to people who only take out of they system and have never put anything in that we have a situation where there are a lot of hidden homeless disabled people. It is not unusual for them to still be living with their parents in their late 30s and even in their 40s. We need more supported housing and much less housing for people who think that everyone else should pay for their lifestyle choices. Disabled people who are stuck with their parents don't have the choice to get pregnant at 21. They don't have many choices at all.



If I had my way I would stop giving pregnant under 25 year olds any type of housing until all the older disabled people were housed. If someone who is disabled has to live at home with their parents then pregnant 25 year olds who have never worked can do the same.

Well, the type of housing suitable for disabled people (with ramps for wheelchairs etc) is probably quite well suited for families with young children and pushchairs etc.

So maybe the govt should build more of this type of housing for families and the disabled?

It's quite simple really. The govt buys a piece of land without planning permission. Grants itself planning permission. Builds the houses, then sells them to a housing association. Govt keeps the profit it made by granting itself planning permission.

Or we could start a war with Iran instead.

triathlon

Cakeguts wrote: »

And if there are 5 children and no maintenance is being paid and the mother doesn't work? Who pays for that?

And in most cases this is where stigma should be introduced back into this country, where we should be pointing the finger in so many instances. Children are just churned out as if they were some kind of fashionable lap dogs and by a handful of different fathers who have zero aspiration and no way of supporting themselves. even.

Cakeguts

Green_Bear wrote: »

Well, the type of housing suitable for disabled people (with ramps for wheelchairs etc) is probably quite well suited for families with young children and pushchairs etc.

So maybe the govt should build more of this type of housing for families and the disabled?

It's quite simple really. The govt buys a piece of land without planning permission. Grants itself planning permission. Builds the houses, then sells them to a housing association. Govt keeps the profit it made by granting itself planning permission.

Or we could start a war with Iran instead.

You are only thinking about physically disabled people. I wasn't. I was thinking about people with learning difficulties and a disabling mental illness or both.



Supported housing is not housing with ramps it can be but it doesn't have to be. The point about supported housing is that it is not suitable for parents because of the arrangements. We don't have enough supported housing for all the people who need it because councils are too busy housing people who have children they can't afford and in many cases don't want.

babyblade41

Some people may seem my POV is very hard , but I get fed up of the depression and bad back syndrome for getting out of the work place. They know neither can be proved completely

I can't call some of these people parents as to me a parent nurtures the child, steers it in the right direction , teaches right from wrong.. Some are starting school still wearing nappies, as lazy !!!!!! can't be bothered to teach their child

I see some schools asking for food donations through summer holidays so the child that attends through the holiday can eat properly , and people say it shouldn't happen in this age ....well your damn right it shouldn't happen now but lay the blame at the biological adults churning them out.

History repeats itself again with the next generation as there are no role models in their lives . Some of them have no shame, they will happily roll up to a food bank with a fag on ?????

When my 2 were young hell would freeze over before I would rock up to one of these places... I just worked harder...something many can't get to grips with.

I love reading the comments of a well known red top labour paper and it's incredulous when a sob story makes the paper .

The obligatory sad faces with obligatory living room piled high with junk, moaning that they can't afford anything because of the umpteen kids they have .and one this week was complaining that after paying for school uniform they had nothing left ..oh please , was it a surprise your child had to wear a school uniform?, couldn't they have bought an item every week especially as discount supermarkets sell generic items extremely cheap ? .. No , because it's everyone else fault bar theirs .. and so many socialist sympathised with them !!

Well guess what , benefit isn't for luxuries IE fags, tv subscriptions and pizza delivery , it would help if they get the veg peeler out and start bloody cooking properly ..they have plenty of time to venture to bed so I'm sure they can take half hour out of their pits to make a proper dinner

Don't forget the cost to NHS delivering these children.

For me the whole benefit system is wrong especially when there are multiple kids.

One of these so called parents in my old village had 7 kids, all taken into care . Mother was a prostitute , god knows how as she looked like a zombie

Her 7 kids all ended up the same way with zero input financially for their existence ...and it's the tax payer who is enabling them to do it .

Benefits are specifically there for those that fall on hard times through no fault of their own, and I find the genuine claimants do everything they can to get off them... others are using it as a right ... well they can fund their kids how they want but not from me thank you very much

In fact the more kids they have the less benefit they receive.. they might not treat those children as money making machines and playing the system ..I'd rather tax went on OAP's who have payed their tax all their working life and for those far less unfortunate than I who have real disabilities including the physically and mentally handicapped .. those who don't have a choice in what life gave them.

Everyone else needs to go to the back of the queue