A Question for Tory Supporters

phillw

babyblade41 wrote: »

Some people may seem my POV is very hard , but I get fed up of the depression and bad back syndrome for getting out of the work place. They know neither can be proved completely

Imagine how those people feel when you they receive a diagnosis that they know is going to make them targets?

They get put in the Working Related Group for benefits, which is so named so that Daily Mail readers will think it means they can work but chose not to.

They have to deal with "but you look fine" as if it's possible to tell from how someone looks.

I'm not going to say there aren't people who fake it, but the amount of fraud is much lower than what you have been convinced to believe so that you will go along with the governments plans.

triathlon wrote: »

And in most cases this is where stigma should be introduced back into this country, where we should be pointing the finger in so many instances. Children are just churned out as if they were some kind of fashionable lap dogs and by a handful of different fathers who have zero aspiration and no way of supporting themselves. even.

Something bad has normally happened to people for them to behave in that way and turning them into a social outcast means they are more likely to check out completely. All it does is allow you the pleasure of punishing them.

Which I'd say was rather perverse.

babyblade41

It's my opinion..who say's mine or yours is right? ...but mine won't change ...far too many wasters, scroungers, and low life who are just too bone idle to get a job and work and expect decent members of society to pay for the privilege

phillw

babyblade41 wrote: »

It's my opinion..who say's mine or yours is right?

If you decide to hold an opinion that makes you angry and is not supported by facts, which means you can never be satisfied, then it's in your own interest to change that opinion. It erodes all your arguments because they aren't based on facts, only your internal hatred.

babyblade41 wrote: »

...but mine won't change ...far too many wasters, scroungers, and low life who are just too bone idle to get a job and work and expect decent members of society to pay for the privilege

Good luck with your anger, you can project it at whoever you want. It won't help you and it won't help them. Your superiority complex is going to keep you trapped in it forever.

You seem to have a different definition of decent to me.

Herzlos

Cakeguts wrote: »

And if there are 5 children and no maintenance is being paid and the mother doesn't work? Who pays for that?

Being heartless about it; we've got 5 kids, so do we provide the funding to bring them up properly here and have them be well educated, healthy members of society who are a contribution rather than a drain? Or do refuse to fund them appropriately, treat them as subhuman and end up with 5 poorly educated unemployable adults with mental/health issues who'll likely perpetuate the same thing?


I understand the political dislike of helping the poor (since they presumably deserve it), but it's pure short-termism and that's whats destroying the country.

triathlon wrote: »

And in most cases this is where stigma should be introduced back into this country, where we should be pointing the finger in so many instances. Children are just churned out as if they were some kind of fashionable lap dogs and by a handful of different fathers who have zero aspiration and no way of supporting themselves. even.

It's almost as if having kids in a declining population is a bad thing. If no-one has kids then we need to bring in even more foreigners.

Herzlos

babyblade41 wrote: »

It's my opinion..who say's mine or yours is right? ...but mine won't change ...far too many wasters, scroungers, and low life who are just too bone idle to get a job and work and expect decent members of society to pay for the privilege

Absolutely. Jacob Reese Mogg and Boris Johnson are among the worst of them.

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

It's almost as if having kids in a declining population is a bad thing. If no-one has kids then we need to bring in even more foreigners.

I get the impression it's the wrong sort of person having kids that they have a problem with.

Which brings us to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

babyblade41

phillw wrote: »

If you decide to hold an opinion that makes you angry and is not supported by facts, which means you can never be satisfied, then it's in your own interest to change that opinion. It erodes all your arguments because they aren't based on facts, only your internal hatred.



Good luck with your anger, you can project it at whoever you want. It won't help you and it won't help them. Your superiority complex is going to keep you trapped in it forever.

You seem to have a different definition of decent to me.

I feel I'm a decent human being.. I take responsibility for my choices, I don't expect others to do it for me

The only charities I help are animal and macmillan , I rescue farm yard animals although not so much now just pigs, ducks , hens and turkeys

Macmillan have been like angels in the dark to me . Any others I don't really care too much about... I'm happy , retired , not old as some may think but hate those who think they are entitled

Life isn't always easy, you have to go with the hand you are dealt with and make the best of it, if your life is crap because the choices you make then tough..not my problem ..I'd rather my energies focussed on those who don't have a choice

phillw

babyblade41 wrote: »

I feel I'm a decent human being..

Yes, that is exactly the problem. You're basing it on feeling & you believe your feelings are always correct. Evolution has left us in a situation where feelings that will have been advantageous when we were living in tribes that were killing each other for food, aren't quite so helpful now

babyblade41 wrote: »

Life isn't always easy, you have to go with the hand you are dealt with and make the best of it,

You're assuming the people you divert your anger at aren't making the best that they can of it with the life experience they had.

I'll post this article again, it's very enlightening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/27/victim-blaming-science-behind-psychology-research

Green_Bear

babyblade41 wrote: »

Some people may seem my POV is very hard , but I get fed up of the depression and bad back syndrome for getting out of the work place. They know neither can be proved completely

The obligatory sad faces with obligatory living room piled high with junk, moaning that they can't afford anything because of the umpteen kids they have .and one this week was complaining that after paying for school uniform they had nothing left ..oh please , was it a surprise your child had to wear a school uniform?, couldn't they have bought an item every week especially as discount supermarkets sell generic items extremely cheap ? .. No , because it's everyone else fault bar theirs .. and so many socialist sympathised with them !!

Everyone else needs to go to the back of the queue

School uniforms have become an absolute scam.

Clothing in general has never been cheaper. Yet schools are insisting on branded expensive clothing. It's anti-competitive behaviour and really gives the pupils an awful example as to how competition in the market place should work.
Insisting on individual school logos limits the secondary market and leads to wastage.
Perhaps the school governers should be subjected to some patronising ''Climate Emergency'' lectures? Their establishment forces such nonsense on the rest of us.

When I was in school, the uniform consisted of black trousers and a white shirt. Could be sourced from anywhere, at the cheapest competitive price. These days it would be pennies.

Green_Bear

babyblade41 wrote: »

Some people may seem my POV is very hard , but I get fed up of the depression and bad back syndrome for getting out of the work place. They know neither can be proved completely

Everyone else needs to go to the back of the queue

I agree. You can't even tell them to ''pull their socks up'' - as it will make their back pain worse.

Those conditions are usually nonsense. Worse still is all the junkies and alcoholics being given sickness benefits.

But I do think a lot of these things are symptoms of the problems in our country, rather than the cause. You do need to ask the motivation for being so workshy. Yes, it's to do with laziness and benefits - but there's also been a drop in conditions for workers. Just look at the former coal mining areas. They didn't have this benefits culture when the mines were open and that was really hard work.

For many years, the Tories used sickness benefits to cover up unemployment statistics. This had led to a culture of benefit dependence.

Plus the breakdown in traditional families.

Then you had the New Labour era worshiping of 'Human Rights' etc.